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Re:Elena Programming Language by adhoc32 on Friday August 21, 2020 @08:11AM (#24234199)
"A variable name can contain any UTF-8 symbols (except special ones, white-spaces; the leading character cannot be a digit) and is case-sensitive."

This is terrible.

Re:Elena Programming Language by systems on Friday August 21, 2020 @10:57AM (#24235417)
Well I used to think that UTF-8 symbols are terrible, until I saw how Julia implement it

Most special symbols have escapable names so for example Julia have a composition operator (∘) In the repl or supported editors (atom and vs code), if you type \circ then press <tab> the repl or the editor will replace that with the symbol ∘

Now, I am not saying that this is better than ascii characters, I still prefer ascii characters, and I still find that Unicode symbol even with good editor support are harder to type, and also in some case like in the case this composition operator ∘ hard to read

I just don't think its not terrible anymore, its passable, and I understand why some people might like it more, but good editor support is a must

Re:Elena Programming Language by kungato on Friday August 21, 2020 @08:26AM (#24234286)
How is this terrible? Isn't this pretty standard in all big languages?
Re:Elena Programming Language by a1369209993 on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:32PM (#24236352)
It is decidedly undesireable for "⋄˄∕≡·‒⁇⁆․⌉⌋"[1] to be a valid indentifier. Especially if, as appears to be the case, "foo[⋄˄/≡·-⁇].⌉⌋"[0] is a valid expression.

0: foo[diamond_caret / indentical_middot - questionquestion ] . ceil_floor

1: utf8: E2 8B 84 CB 84 E2 88 95 E2 89 A1 CE 87 E2 80 92 E2 81 87 E2 81 86 E2 80 A4 E2 8C 89 E2 8C 8B

Re:Elena Programming Language by wjsetzer on Friday August 21, 2020 @08:35AM (#24234346)
I know you can use emoji as variables in Ruby. Unsure if you can in Python.

Imo it's fine to allow Unicode. Latin will still be the de facto standard character set, but it allows international users to code natively and allows for Easter eggs.

Re:Elena Programming Language by duckerude on Friday August 21, 2020 @09:19AM (#24234628)
Since PEP 3131 (https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3131/) Python supports unicode in names, but only letters, not emoji. I have occasionally used variable names like ϕ when transcribing a formula in toy code.

The unicode is normalized. That can be used for trickery in rare circumstances. "global" is a keyword, but "𝐠𝐥𝐨𝐛𝐚𝐥" isn't, so you can use that if you absolutely require an attribute called "global".

Re:Elena Programming Language by throwaway4747l on Friday August 21, 2020 @09:10AM (#24234570)
Doesn't Python 3 exactly do this? Not saying I would use non-ascii characters in variable names but presumably populations that don't use the Latin alphabet have different use cases?
Re:Elena Programming Language by mkl on Friday August 21, 2020 @11:16AM (#24235571)
Not quite, as it only supports letters. This can be annoying with some mathematical symbols, e.g. IIRC ∇f won't work. Having Greek letters is useful, but I think it should go further, like this, so definitely not terrible.
Re:Elena Programming Language by jcelerier on Friday August 21, 2020 @11:08AM (#24235514)
how else are we going to use canadian aboriginal syllabic characters to represent templates