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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by paxys on Thursday August 20, 2020 @07:48PM (#24230351)
> I was not an employee of the soccer leagues, I was an independent contractor

Actually you were an employee, just misclassified. If you took them to court you would likely win.

Being able to set your own hours, working part time, working for other employers, quitting at any time - these are all possible in an employee relationship.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by mattmcknight on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:40PM (#24231428)
Just because they are possible in an employee relationship, setting your own hours is typically not representative of an employee relationship. Doing the same job for multiple customers is typical of an independent contractor relationship. I see no evidence of misclassification where this person was employed by multiple employers. Which of the leagues do you believe was his employer?
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by Retric on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:35AM (#24232005)
Working 2 to 3 part time jobs is extremely common in the US for low level staff and has been for decades. These people say when their available and then get scheduled in.
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by mattmcknight on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:25PM (#24237497)
Of course, but that is not what make them employees, but is actually the part of the criteria for being able to claim independent contractor status. If you work one game for a soccer league, it is highly inefficient to have to create an employment relationship.
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by Retric on Friday August 21, 2020 @04:31PM (#24238581)
My point was having 100 clients is a strong sign that someone is a contractor having 3 is not. It’s also just one of ~20 factors.

Also, length of relationship is judged on how renewable it is not how long it lasted. You can fire anyone on their first day.

It’s really a question of how open ended the work is not how long someone spends doing it. A restaurant always needs people to cook food and a league always needs a referee as an inherent part of it’s business model. On the other hand a company might only need an architect when designing their new office, aka it’s inherently a finite business need. That architect can largely work at a location and time of their choosing, the referee needs to be where and when the games are taking place. Similarly, an Uber driver needs to be picking someone up at a specific location and specific time going somewhere else or waiting 1 hour doesn’t work.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by OliverGilan on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:47PM (#24230720)
Under current laws you are correct but I think he is trying to highlight the point that maybe the laws shouldn't have this dichotomy and we should recognize there are instances where not being a full employee yet not filling the exact current definition of a contractor should exist
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by URSpider94 on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:59AM (#24232131)
The reason these laws exist is because corporations will use them to reclassify the maximum number of employees possible as contractors, so they can avoid a whole host of legal constraints around employment.

In general, flexibility in classification of workers almost always plays out poorly for the majority of workers.