Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by marcinzm on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:25PM (#24228474)

Huh? As I understand it Uber/Lyft drivers are not eligible for unemployment benefits (recent laws/court rulings aside). So they don't depend on the safety nets in any way.

edit: Unemployment insurance is paid by companies for their workers who may use it in the future. It's not a shared social obligation from taxes. Nor is everyone eligible to use it merely by existing.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by square90 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:33PM (#24228575)

The CARES Act and state-level programs are paying unemployment assistance to contractors and self-employed individuals not usually covered by unemployment [0], [1].

[0] https://www.edd.ca.gov/about_edd/coronavirus-2019/pandemic-u...

[1] https://www.edd.ca.gov/about_edd/coronavirus-2019/cares-act....

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by marcinzm on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:42PM (#24228696)

Which is a one-off "world is burning down" case which no one planned for or expected. Hardy a long term plan by the VCs to take advantage of everyone else.

I'm guessing unemployment insurance didn't cover a lot of the rest of the unemployed either for COVID (as it ran out due to never being designed for this situation) so it came from taxes. In which case no one paid into the social safety net except through taxes (which Lyft/Uber are not exempt from).

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by strbean on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:21PM (#24229143)

I think we just need a way for unemployment insurance to include independent contractors.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by throwawaygh on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:47PM (#24228740)

Any remotely competent student of history can foresee occasional economic crises with high unemployment. That’s why we have a national unemployment insurance scheme.

Maybe you don’t foresee a pandemic, but only in the same way that you don’t foresee getting side-swiped when a car passes you while blowing its tire. Or having your house’s roof ripped off by a tornado. Totally unforeseeable events, but somewhat predicable circumstances.

The bailouts in crises are not one off because there’s always going to be another crisis.

Taking care of contractors who work for employers that arbitrage labor protections == corporate bailouts.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by gwright on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:33PM (#24229280)

I don't know who "we" is in your statement, but unemployment insurance is state by state in the US, not national.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by throwawaygh on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:09AM (#24232465)

Yes, all of them, literally all 50. No exception.

Do we have public school available nationally?

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by gwright on Saturday August 22, 2020 @03:10AM (#24242333)

Your post wasn't clear if that is what you intended to say.

A single "national unemployment insurance scheme" is not at all the same thing as 50 separate state schemes.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by marcinzm on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:43PM (#24229376)

>The bailouts in crises are not one off because there’s always going to be another crisis.

Please list the historical unemployment insurance bailouts that covered contractors.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by throwawaygh on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:30PM (#24228542)

From Lyft itself: https://www.lyft.com/hub/posts/how-the-cares-act-can-help-dr...

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