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Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by thaumasiotes on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:20PM (#24226569)
> in the popular imagination, there was nothing except Greece, Rome and Egypt until this side of 1 AD.

Really? The Romans are known for their expansionism. Who were they conquering? Who was everybody fighting against in 300?

Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by makomk on Thursday August 20, 2020 @03:29PM (#24227639)
In the popular imagination? The Romans were conquering barbaric tribes that aren't worth talking about in detail, I think. Certainly not civilizations. The actual details of those civilizations seem to be as niche and obscure as knowledge of the Kush.
Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by thaumasiotes on Thursday August 20, 2020 @03:40PM (#24227809)
> In the popular imagination? The Romans were conquering barbaric tribes that aren't worth talking about in detail, I think.

There was plenty of interaction, but the thing about those insignificant barbaric tribes is that they aren't worth conquering either.

Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by usrusr on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:22PM (#24229155)
And there's a simple rule that's obvious even in a superficial read of de bello gallico: don't cultivate wheat and the legions won't bother you.
Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by liability on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:29PM (#24231375)
It's my impression the Gallic Wars were more about building Julius Caesar's personality cult than anything else. Enriching his soldiers so they'd be loyal to him and winning the respect of Roman pyblic (hence the self-aggrandizing book written in Latin, not Greek.)
Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by usrusr on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:44AM (#24232643)
Few external wars haven't been fought for internal reasons
Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by jacobush on Thursday August 20, 2020 @06:45PM (#24229897)
Now it’s cultivate nukes and the legions won’t bother you.
Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by BurningFrog on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:38PM (#24228638)
If we're really talking about Western popular imagination, 1-4 generations ago, I have to think it was dominated by what's in the Bible.
Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by nkingsy on Friday August 21, 2020 @09:45AM (#24234814)
The Persian and Macedonian empires both reconquered what had been conquered by the Assyrian empire, and likely others before.
Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by thaumasiotes on Saturday August 22, 2020 @01:48AM (#24241930)
No, the Persian empire was much, much larger than the Assyrian empire.

The Macedonian empire was technically larger, including Persia, except it was never administrated as a whole and fell into pieces just a few years after coming into existence.

Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by rsynnott on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:50PM (#24229436)
Barbarians! Tribes! People in some way not civilized!

(This was, in fairness, largely how the Romans represented it to themselves, regardless of how true it was, so it's maybe not surprising.)

Re:The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years... by thaumasiotes on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:11AM (#24231886)
The Romans were well aware that Carthage, Greece, and Persia were great civilizations.