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Re:Foiling Electric Boat by sandworm101 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:28AM (#24222500)
Ok. They put an electric motor on a hydrofoil. Where is the innovation? This isn't new stuff. Anyone can buy a hydrofoil hull and install an electric motor. The limitation always was, and remains, the wild impracticality inherent to hydrofoils regardless of power source.
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by Candelaboat on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:36AM (#24223708)
Hey Sandworm. Candela here.

Sure, it's perfectly doable to put hydrofoils on any type of hull, especially passive hydrofoils. We tried, and it wasn't especially nice, nor efficient.

The trick is to use fully submerged ones. But those are much harder to keep stable, as they are inherently unstable. That's were our secret sauce is. We can control them through software similar to what you see in drones. Also, we've created the mechanical and structural components necessary for wave handling.

You won't find this type of innovation, especially the software, in any other boat in production. That's the new stuff.

Re:Foiling Electric Boat by bawana on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:09PM (#24225651)
how bout a gas version for us poor folk? Given the increased efficiency, it wouldn't need a big motor?

or would the software installed in one of the many sailboat designs using foils prevent their high accident rate?>

Re:Foiling Electric Boat by sandworm101 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:41AM (#24223761)
So your 8m boat's sea handling abilities are dependant on software? That's a big leap.
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by willvarfar on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:32AM (#24222534)
Why are hydrofoils inherently impractical?

The homepage claims superior ride and comfort in bad sea states.

Although hydrofoils are limited to about 400 tons, apparently, there have been several successful naval missile boats used by both sides in the Cold War.

Wings in ground effect is another thing that’s cool.

Re:Foiling Electric Boat by sandworm101 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:00AM (#24223270)
>> Why are hydrofoils inherently impractical?

Limitations on sea states. This gets dangerous when the waves very suddenly start striking the hull. The hull doesn't impact the bottom of the wave but mid-wave, slamming into it in a way a normal hull never would. Limitations on cargo capacity (too heavy and it won't 'fly') which is why large hydrofoils are normally limited to passenger services. Increased draft at low speeds (ie when not flying). Moving parts below the waterline are always a fouling hazard. When that delicate foil hits something it doesn't end well. Outboard engines are mounted in a way to survive such events by folding backwards. A lifting foil cannot do that.

These all lead to a dangerous senerio. Say you are driving a hydrofoil in increasingly bad conditions. Because you are 'flying' slightly above the waves you don't notice that they are getting worse. Then one slams into the hull at full speed, or something breaks, and you can no longer 'fly'. The non-foil boat would have turned back long ago, but because you were flying above most of the waves you are now deep into a situation your craft was never meant to handle.

Re:Foiling Electric Boat by CrazyStat on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:48AM (#24222658)
> The homepage claims superior ride and comfort in bad sea states.

For a limited definition of bad sea states--the FAQ says the limit before you might unexpectedly land is about 1m wave height, which wouldn't be a serious issue for an ordinary boat almost 8m in length [1].

That said, I do think there's a place for hydrofoils on sheltered bodies of water. There is (or was, 10 years ago) a regular hydrofoil ferry service that runs between Petrozavodsk and the island of Kizhi [2], which cuts travel time dramatically compared to a traditional ferry.

[1] https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/safety-rules/before-boat...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizhi_Pogost

Re:Foiling Electric Boat by PaulAJ on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:22AM (#24223553)
Condor Ferries used to run hydrofoils between the Channel Islands, the UK and France. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_Ferries. However they retired their last hydrofoil in 1993.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJLnJx9SzR8

https://thesarnian.com/guernsey-history/condor-1-hydrofoil-f...

I went on one once. It was disappointing. Going above decks was no longer allowed, so it was a bit like a very bumpy airplane ride with everyone sitting in their seats and nervously eyeing the sick-bags.

Re:Foiling Electric Boat by wazoox on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:01AM (#24222746)
Unless it changed recently, there is a regular hydrofoil line linking Vienna to Bratislava on the Danube. I rode it in 2015, it's a wonderfully kitsch piece of Soviet era kit, but does this beast fly!
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by 83457 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:19AM (#24222904)
I rode one 20 years ago to islands off the coast of Greece. One of the trips was rough though due to choppy seas. I recall seatbelts were required and barf bags were utilized by a few passengers.
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by wazoox on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:51AM (#24223198)
At sea, sure, but on a large river like the Danube it'extremely smooth, hardly any wave :)
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by sandworm101 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:11AM (#24223415)
Every hit the wake from a larger boat? That a river is generally flat doesn't mean that you won't occasionally hit a freak wave.
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by miarohman on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:43PM (#24226097)
Regardless of type of boat, waves need to be considered and managed. Most of the time speed needs to be reduced. The same for Candela, when a wave is to high it works to operate just like a regular boat.
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by julienfr112 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:46AM (#24223151)
Rode one between HK and Macao. Turbine driven, airplaine seat with seat belt fasten !!
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by aidenn0 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:53AM (#24223213)
Thanks for finding that. A 1m wave height limit makes it basically useless in the North Pacific.
Re:Foiling Electric Boat by krschultz on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:11PM (#24230903)
This is like the "how hard would it be to clone Dropbox" comment. Everything looks easy at first glance, the devil is in the details. Boat manufacturers work on relatively small R&D budgets too, there are usually only a few engineers involved. I'm sure there are hundreds of startups that are going no where but spend more on engineering than these guys.