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Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by rootusrootus on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @11:31PM (#24219596)
> Yes, our government has been incompetent all around.

I don't agree. This is not incompetence. It is malice. The government absolutely could be responding far better, and doing much of the same things every other western democracy is doing. A popular political position in this country is to prove that we need less gov't by making sure it appears incompetent. Combined with the similar political need to believe the virus is a hoax means we get zero federal response.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by rasputin243 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @11:57PM (#24219730)
I wouldn't argue with that much when looking at federal government (judicial branch excluded), but state and local governments have been varied in their responses, and most have been far from malice. In Chicago, my local alderman has been reactive to events (including non-covid matters, like storm damage) and informative about public services (especially with testing sites). Helpful and without cynicism.

I believe that national politics gets an undue spotlight, and that local government (in particular) does not receive the attention warranted.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by syshum on Thursday August 20, 2020 @07:17AM (#24222048)
>>we get zero federal response.

Or we are a federalist society where by the states need to ask for assistance and not have the response mandated by the federal government.

We are a Union of States, and the states do and should have their own sovereignty from the federal government even in pandemic response.

What works in NY may not be the the same as what works in SD as an example so a Federal response is just not needed

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by rootusrootus on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:20AM (#24223525)
The federal government doesn't seem to feel that same restraint when it comes to sending federal police into Portland to do community-level police work. And they are certainly more than happy to dictate many other aspects of our lives using whatever levers they have available. So why is it suddenly now that they can't provide any help in a pandemic because it's the States' responsibility?
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by syshum on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:35AM (#24223704)
>>The federal government doesn't seem to feel that same restraint when it comes to sending federal police into Portland to do community-level police work

While I disagree with the strategy and execution it is completely dishonest to say they were sent "to do community-level police work", they were sent to protect Federal Property after the City and State Governments failed to provide any protection for said property in the face of riots.

Again if it were me I would have just abandoned the building, and take with it all federal money letting Portland burn setting up a new Federal Courthouse (and giving the money that comes with it) to a new city in the region that would welcome the economic output of such a venue.

>>And they are certainly more than happy to dictate many other aspects of our lives using whatever levers they have available.

2 wrongs do not make a right... As a libertarian I advocate for the reduction in Federal power all the time at every level. It seems however Democrats only complain about federal power when a Republican is in charge, and Republicans only complain about Federal Power when a Democrat is in charge. Democrats and Republicans alike have transferred HUGE amounts of power from the Legislative to the Executive which enabled both Obama and now Trump to use that federal power in ways many people disagree with

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by rootusrootus on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:18PM (#24224829)
> they were sent to protect Federal Property

They may wish that the local police were more successful at suppressing the violence, but that doesn't make it their responsibility to deal with the rioters. And why did they feel the need to meet the Portland protesters with violence but not the guys who occupied federal property out in Eastern Oregon? Politics, perhaps?

> 2 wrongs do not make a right

Sure. However, promoting the general welfare of people in the US by supporting pandemic response is a good bit less bad than creating arbitrary new regulations and laws that criminalize behavior which is really a local concern.