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Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by hnarn on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:44PM (#24204120)
It’s a variant of the suggestion often given in therapy and recently popularized by Jordan B Peterson I believe — and no matter what you may think of him as a person, it is a good strategy — “Treat yourself as someone worth taking care of”. Meaning: look at yourself as you would look at your own child, a pet, or anyone you would have the responsibility of looking after. It’s easy to miss meals, not dress yourself well and so on, but you might look at it differently if it was your kid or pet that was hungry. So take care of yourself as if you weren’t you!

The same thing goes with investments. To get over my own sometimes pathological cheapness (a combination of growing up poor and other stuff) I sometimes view myself as a corporation when making purchases: what do I need, are there goals I have that lack materials, what needs to be replaced — then I just sign a blank check to myself as it were and buy the things I need.

In a way, taking care of yourself does become easier when you pretend it isn’t you. Especially if you have issues with caring about “you” in the first place.

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by GaryNumanVevo on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @06:58PM (#24205335)
JP did a great job of packaging self-care and advice for disaffected young men, it's unfortunate he was put into a coma attempting to treat his addiction to benzodiazepines for 8 days in Russia. :(

I also struggled to buy nice things for myself, especially clothing I wore the same converse for like 6 years until they fell apart. Definitely something growing up poor did to me.

EDIT: Whoops I completely messed up the time period he was in a coma.

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by ipnon on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:39PM (#24205628)
Jordan Peterson was given a medically induced coma for 8 days, not 8 months, in January of this year, according to his daughter.[1]

[1] https://nationalpost.com/news/the-doctors-here-have-the-guts...

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by GaryNumanVevo on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:26PM (#24205915)
Thanks, I edited it. Really sad to see his addiction has really put him through the wringer. I haven't heard him speak since he came out of treatment, in due time I suppose.
Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by infogulch on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:47PM (#24206036)
Last month Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila appeared on her podcast to talk about how he got out of treatment. https://youtu.be/HLWgVpmo1e0
Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by tim333 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @08:47AM (#24209822)
That's kind of a freaky story. Enough to put you off mind altering drugs in general.
Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by schoolornot on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:00PM (#24212707)
Yeah, I'm sorry but there is clearly a pattern in the US and maybe elsewhere of mental professionals not being all that mentally stable and more often than not raising kids that have problems of their own. I'm not sure if it's a result of something innate or that their brains become sponges that soak up the worst in people and that translates into issues within their lives. Unless you are at a level where you can't function in society, I feel that it's wise to steer clear of these shrinks.
Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by infogulch on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @04:55PM (#24216315)
I downvoted this comment because it contains no substance past an ad hominem attack against JP and his family, thinly veiled as 'mental health professionals', ('mentally unstable', 'raises kids with problems', 'something wrong with them', 'soak up badness from other people', 'shrinks') with no evidence, and perpetuates the US' incredibly damaging culture of perceiving stumbling on mental health issues as being caused by an innate problem with the person instead of being a treatable health condition.

I don't see why mental health professionals should be magically exempt from getting hit by mental problems, and I don't think it means that there's something wrong with them if they do. Mental health professionals are still just people, and like any person they also are subject to health problems. Are doctors exempt from getting sick because they fix sick people? If a doctor gets sick is that evidence that their career is done and their entire profession is invalid?

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by GaryNumanVevo on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @05:23PM (#24216730)
Agreed, JP has a rather simplistic understanding of addiction [0]. I wonder if his experiences with it first hand changes that.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiHsEoPk0SY

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by mleonhard on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:35PM (#24205599)
Using budgeting software helped me get over my cheapness. I've been happy with YNAB for many years.
Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by faceplanted on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:40PM (#24205993)
> no matter what you may think of him as a person, it is a good strategy

The thing about Jordan Peterson's book is that the chapter titles are usually _great advice_, but the content always tends to slide into his strange, mediocrely researched conservative ramblings and sometime worse, at one point he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape, at others he veers right into granddad style rants about young people and their "progressive politics" ruining the world.

Honestly it's a bad book and people would be better off literally just reading the Quora question and answer that inspired it.

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by DjiboutiJon on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @09:33AM (#24210174)
Disclaimer: I am a great admirer of Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, and other professors who are researching meaning.

> he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape

I think you've done a fantastic job strawmanning the chapter and book and man to the first story of the chapter to suit your ideological frame of reference.

The chapter for anyone who wants to read it for themselves is Chapter 9: Assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't. See any irony between that and the immediate shutting down of any insight he might of had because of a biasing mechanism?

> Honestly it's a bad book

I think you are doing many people seeking meaning and stress relief at this time a huge disservice with this comment. It's a tough book, not for everyone. Written for people who like ideas and need wisdom in my estimation. Anyone who wants to understand 12 rules for life better after their first read through- I recommend the youtube series where Jordan goes through the Bible's stories. I know you may have shunted that off because you are not religious. I'm not either but what the series is- is Jordan Peterson basically explaining his life's work into the wisdom and psychology of ancient stories humanity has kept alive for our existence. Take care

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by gridlockd on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:17PM (#24212969)
I think your admiration might be clouding your judgement. JP is a great orator, but a poor writer. He's also not a good narrator of his own writings.

I therefore can't recommend his books in any form. You can get the gist of his ideas from his videos.

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by DjiboutiJon on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @04:45PM (#24216176)
I think that is fair- I can't judge whether it is a tough book, or a poorly written book, or an unusual book even. I still however this this comment is unjustified assuming "bad book" means bad in the all-encompassing sense:

> Honestly it's a bad book and people would be better off literally just reading the Quora question and answer that inspired it.

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by adamgia on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @04:49AM (#24208445)
Well, you can't please everyone - in this case your interpretation is a stretch to say the least (Just about admits blaming a patient for their rape? Where did you get that?) and it sounds like you have a problem with conservatives (which I wouldn't say JBP is) rather than the actual book/author.
Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by ironic_ali on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @07:07AM (#24209125)
Well said. I would also like the source to him blaming a patient for their rape.
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Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by gridlockd on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:22PM (#24213063)
So your bigotry is justified because conservatives as a cohort exhibit elevated levels of certain unfavorable attributes?
Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by libtarred on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:40PM (#24213338)
If having a problem with callousness and bigotry is in itself bigoted, then yes sure, whatever.
Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by gridlockd on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:51PM (#24214505)
No, having a problem with republicans as a group just because on average they are more callous or bigoted, that is bigotry.

Suppose that black people are, on average, more homophobic than white people[1]. I have a problem with homophobia and homophobic people, not black people as a group, because I can differentiate between the group and the individual.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_...

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by ironic_ali on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @07:08AM (#24209133)
> at one point he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape

Source please.

Re:Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidenc... by NoOneNew on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @11:15AM (#24211209)
What page was that rape on? I don't remember reading it.