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Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by eanzenberg on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @12:50PM (#24200995)
Perceived wealth inequality. The US has less wealth inequality because most of it is already wealthy. The shrinking middle class is shrinking because most of them are moving to the upper middle class.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by heylook on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @02:01PM (#24201973)
Do you have any data to back up this claim? Parent comment provided links. It seems fair to me that a rebuttal should as well.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by bhupy on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @02:55PM (#24202714)
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by peferron on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:39PM (#24203355)
Your link shows that, since 2000, the lower class has been growing and the middle and upper classes have been shrinking.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by bhupy on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:42PM (#24203381)
Sure, but since 1967, upper class has risen. The Great Recession is a confounding variable.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by heurist on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:13PM (#24213846)
In a causal system the Great Recession is not a confounding variable, it's an inflection point. As will be the recession triggered by covid.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by bhupy on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @05:14PM (#24216608)
It is definitely a confounding variable in the context of the question at hand (posed by the GP commenter): why inequality is a bad thing, and whether it is directly responsible for the "shrinking middle class" going to the "lower class" instead of the "upper class".

Historically, the middle class has been shrinking because the upper class has been rising. Insofar as that hasn't been the case since 2000, it's not because of the mere existence of billionaires, it's because of a specific type of financial instrument (in one case), and a one-in-a-century global pandemic (in another case). The mere existence of Bill Gates et al did not cause either the credit default swap crisis or COVID-19.

Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by neixidbeksoxyd on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:32PM (#24203256)
> Since 2000, the middle class has been shrinking for a decidedly more alarming reason: Incomes have fallen.

How does that support the hypothesis that the middle class is shrinking because incomes are rising?

Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by bhupy on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:42PM (#24203390)
We're talking about since 1967. The Great Recession is a confounding variable.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by joe463369 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @05:41PM (#24204682)
Cold comfort for anyone born after 1990
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by bhupy on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @06:11PM (#24204948)
Sure, but the root cause of that is pretty well known to be the proliferation of credit default swaps that led to a housing bubble that burst in 2008, and not the mere existence of billionaires writ large.

Also, here's a more recent source (August 2020) that's actually an academic paper -> https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Squeezi...

> The analyses presented here confirm the broadly accepted picture of rising income inequality and slowing income growth for middle-class Americans. But a few additional points are worth drawing out. First, while the benefits of economic growth have not accrued equally, they have not gone solely to the top 1%. The upper middle class has grown. Second, the main reason for the shrinking of the middle class (defined in absolute terms) is the increase in the number of people with higher incomes.

Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by enraged_camel on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @02:40PM (#24202492)
This is laughably wrong. Social mobility in the USA is the lowest among developed nations. Indeed, most social mobility in america is downward, not upward.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by bgreezy on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @02:35PM (#24202423)
i'm reading piketty right now and have to say, some overwhelmingly clear and rigorously collected data in this one book alone convincingly contradict this ill-informed statement
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by bhupy on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @02:54PM (#24202704)
First of all, the observation that US's shrinking middle class is attributable to an increasing upper-middle class is objectively true, it's not that controversial [4].

Second of all, Piketty's argument is more that capital's share of growth will necessarily outpace labor's share of growth (r > g).

Third of all, Piketty isn't gospel. There have been a number of rebuttals published since his findings that make fairly strong refutations.

The IMF studied empirical evidence to see if it matches up with Piketty/Saez/Zucman's theoretical models, and was unable to validate their finding[1].

Further studies showed that r > g almost entirely goes away when you exclude land/housing appreciation, mostly attributable to restrictive zoning regulations [2].

Auten & Splinter found that Piketty failed to account for existing taxes and transfers. When you do that, the perceived growth in inequality goes away almost entirely[3][5].

[1] https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2016/wp16160.pdf

[2] https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/35310497.pdf

[3] http://davidsplinter.com/AutenSplinter-Tax_Data_and_Inequali...

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/01/25/upshot/shrink...

[5] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3546668

Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by peferron on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:40PM (#24203358)
Your link [4] shows that, since 2000, the lower class has been growing and the middle and upper classes have been shrinking.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by bhupy on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:43PM (#24203402)
Sure, but look from 1967. The trend-line is still positive at a macro level. Since 2000 we had a huge recession, so it's not super conclusive.