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Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by zozbot234 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @12:05PM (#24200378)
The implied income from wealth is zero, because e.g. $10 being spent ten years from now is less valuable than $10 being spent today, in a way that - in expectation - accounts precisely for the apparent "income" yielded by $10 (as 'wealth') over ten years.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by zxcmx on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @01:53PM (#24201852)
Billionaires don't hold cash, they hold assets. Property, shares, anything that throws off revenue or grows in value.
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by zozbot234 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @02:11PM (#24202109)
Sure, but that seemingly-extra "revenue" or "growth" is not free - it comes with offsetting risks. Should people be taxed merely because they made a risky bet that happened to pay off for them?
Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by zxcmx on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:14PM (#24203008)
Nothing in this world is risk-free, because the world is inherently uncertain. Holding cash is also risky. We can calculate a risk free rate of return however, and we can also look at historical returns and rates wealth growth to estimate what a "fair" rate might be.

But since this is really a "should" question (aka about values), theres not really a right answer. We can mostly just talk about fairness, of which there are many different conceptions.

My take: Society has to work hard to preserve the billionaire's wealth. You can't be king without an army, and billionaires exist because of laws, police and a social fabric that lets them keep owning so much stuff. You would otherwise have to be a warlord to keep your hands on so much, and that has its own costs and risks.

Perhaps we could look at it as a fee or compensation for the aggregate social guard labour required to preserve the social order that ensures the safety of the billionaire's assets.

Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by Mirioron on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:00PM (#24203626)
What happens when some of those billionaires band together and decide that they are better at defending what they have? It'll result in governments being overthrown or the billionaires leaving for somewhere else.

Billionaires are still people. If they become too unsatisfied with their treatment, then they will do something about it. Just like everyone else.

Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by zxcmx on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:26PM (#24203923)
So what I'm suggesting is sort of "user pays" for property rights. Since billionaires have way more property (and associated rights) it's only fair they should pay more for that.

Since I assume you're not literally suggesting that billionaires will arm themselves and I dunno, patrol their golf courses and beaches with rocket launchers, I suppose you are suggesting they buy some island and hire private forces, and I dunno, next they have to move their factories or offices there, and presumably hire workers and provide healthcare and education and retirement...

I guess if billionaire island seems like a really good deal, workers might move there. Without knowing more about (and assuming it doesn't just get annexed) it kinda sounds like Dubai.

Or sure they could try their luck in some other country if they feel safer there. Maybe somewhere that's happy to provide "inequality services" / free guard labour for them.

Re: billionaires taking over government so it works in their interests, this has basically already happened and these kinds of wealth tax proposals are a way to balance billionaires existing with the effort needed to sustain them.

And seriously when you look at the alternatives 0.5% (say) doesn't seem like such a bad deal.

Re:Modeling a Wealth Tax by zozbot234 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @05:32PM (#24204604)
The most sensible arrangement is to have a consumption tax (the user pays when they take their wealth out of the system) and/or a tax on incomes and rents, but not affecting the pure yield of capital (the user pays when they put wealth into the system).