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Re:The West Is Becoming More Like China by Barrin92 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @10:59AM (#24199421)
China isn't totalitarian. I'm a little tired of the impoverished discourse around non-democratic governments. China is an autocratic country, which is to say it's a completely depoliticised society, whereas the defining feature of totalitarian societies is mass mobilisation. China aims to be like Singapore, as Gibson called it "Disneyland with the death penalty", rather than a totalitarian state.

In contrast to historical elite government or totalitarian states the party in China is very much accountable to the population and its well-being. The justification for their continued existence is rising the standards of living and successfully managing society, which renders comparisons to pre-democratic times moot.

Re:The West Is Becoming More Like China by MagnumOpus on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @12:30PM (#24200721)
> justification for their continued existence is rising the standards of living

It is a "justification" but since failing to do it does not come with any penalties there is no actual accountability. Mao starved 50 million of his comrades by mismanaging society and outright killed a few million more being paranoid -- and they didn't kick him and his cronies to the curb, instead they venerate him like a god and give his friends' grandchildren sinecures.

The fact that China lagging decades behind South Korea or Taiwan for 50 years didn't get the CCP ousted tells you how thin the veneer of "accountability for rising living standards" is, and how much the party actually rules with an iron fist.

Re:The West Is Becoming More Like China by Barrin92 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @01:00PM (#24201146)
This is too myopic and one-sided. The cultural revolution created carnage but China also saw unification, the biggest increase in life expectancy and literacy in modern history, and essentially the development of what is now modern China.

And yes, the CCP is effectively unoustable but the CCP is the government, not just a Western style party, it's a complex governing body. For factions and individuals within the party there absolutely is an incentive to perform, and the party had countless of purges due to unrest.

Don't forget that Xi himself was sent to the countryside under the program of the same name after his father was thrown into prison. The party isn't going to go away, but the authorities in it absolutely are subject to scrutiny. Also Taiwan of course was subject to one party rule until the 90s and not a democratic nation either, and neither was South Korea under Park Chung Hee. Economic development in all three countries did not take place under democratic government.

Re:The West Is Becoming More Like China by beaunative on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:11PM (#24203750)
Mao is a popular leader, his decisions overrides other memebrs of the party, that's the natural prize the population awards to those who won wars for their rights, the same way Washington has that kind of power, only that Mao used that reward without due consideration and in attempt to achieve socialism starved million. It shouldn't be written as if he is a dictator slaughtering people for his own pleasure, because ultimately Mao's problem is his disconnection of reality and lack of understanding of the popular mind which leads to the creation of disastrous policies with aims too high not his disregard of human lives.
Re:The West Is Becoming More Like China by tabtab on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:42PM (#24204099)
Re: China aims to be..."Disneyland with the death penalty", rather than a totalitarian state.

So the death-chamber is well-decorated. A step up.