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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by rshnotsecure on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:12AM (#24197325)
KGB did not use or believe in polygraphs. Always found that an interesting comparison to American intelligence.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by wongarsu on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:21AM (#24197384)
Does anyone outside the US use or believe in polygraphs?
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by giles_corey on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:26AM (#24197422)
Yes, unfortunately. The governments of the following countries, among others, rely on polygraphy to varying extents: Canada, UK, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, and China.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by edwinyzh on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:40AM (#24197903)
China has recently abandoned the use of Polygraph (I read such a news recently).
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by actuator on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:38AM (#24197491)
Aren't there psychoactive meds which weaken control and should work better unless the person has developed resistance against that compound.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by GuB-42 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @12:10PM (#24200449)
There are, the most well known being alcohol.

However, while it makes people more talkative, it doesn't make them more truthful. So it is not considered effective as an interrogation technique.

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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by formerly_proven on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:13AM (#24197695)
Alcohol
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by cik2e on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:02AM (#24197626)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_serum

TL;DR No, there aren’t.

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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by actuator on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:12AM (#24197685)
All the Reliability section of that page says is, there isn't a randomised study you can trust.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by yyx on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:32AM (#24197830)
And yet in Russia it's used when applying for a job in police.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by jacobush on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:24AM (#24197400)
No private companies hustling polygraph consultants and gear in communist Soviet Union.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by booleandilemma on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @09:40AM (#24198389)
Did they use vodka instead?
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by petre on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:34AM (#24197468)
No, they would just break your fingers or <insert torture> until you admitted to basically anything just to make them stop. They didin't need a polygraph for that, just a hammer, a drawer or a door.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by formerly_proven on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:16AM (#24197712)
The Panetta review (CIA-internal) and the SSCI torture report (one of those "S"'s are for United States Senate) concluded that torture is largely inefficient at extracting information from extremists. You can torture someone for years on end with them still keeping the things you ask from you. Someone who doesn't know anything, will tell you anything, while someone with deep faith will feed you shit.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by petre on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:42AM (#24197917)
It's true, however that didn't matter much in the USSR. What mattered is that somebody got punished, paperwork was taken care of and the agents were doing their jobs. All of this is nicely illustrated in the Citizen X movie, although in a different context.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by pmachinery on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @10:33AM (#24199028)
Citizen X is an American drama. If it depicts what you're saying (I've seen it but can't remember it) then it's just another Western dramatization depicting post-Stalin Soviet Union in cliches from the 1930s.

In the real life case Citizen X is inspired by[0], nobody was tortured for a conviction, even the guilty man, who was simply put into a cell with a police informer to gather information and questioned normally by investigators who only had ten days under Soviet law to release or charge him.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo

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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by petre on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @11:41AM (#24200009)
Post-Stalin Soviet Union clichés, of course. How do you think the wrongly arrested people confessed to the murders in the first place?

"At his trial, Kravchenko retracted his confession and maintained his innocence, stating his confession had been obtained under extreme duress."

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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by pmachinery on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:06PM (#24202877)
> How do you think the wrongly arrested people confessed to the murders in the first place?

As in that example with Kravchenko, the same way false confessions occur in every country, pressure in some form from the police who want to convict their prime suspect / clear up a case.

It's indefensible but it's nothing unique to the Soviet Union and it's not uncommon.

https://theconversation.com/suspects-confess-to-crimes-they-...

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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by watwut on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @12:33PM (#24200756)
That does not make citizen-x documentary. These movies were made from imagination.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by sildur on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @07:49AM (#24197558)
Ah, the Guantanamo tourist pack.
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Re:Accused spy Alexander Yuk Ching Ma evidently beat the pol... by mc32 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:19AM (#24197741)
No, I think it was the archipelago tour where millions of people got to stay in remote islands but to their dismay never got to leave but they did get to write birthday cards to the steel man.
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