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Re:Apple, Epic, and the App Store by zepto on Monday August 17, 2020 @01:55PM (#24189831)
This isn’t a clear argument.

Many customers and developers want the service the App Store provides and are willing to pay for it.

I.e. it’s not a shakedown, it’s a service just like any other.

But even if you argue that people should be allowed to have someone else provide a different service (which is technically problematic since they will still need to use Apple’s API’s), there is no reason to presume that more stores equates to lower prices.

It doesn’t in streaming for example, because of exclusive content.

It also means developers will need to support multiple stores and pass that cost on to the customers.

Re:Apple, Epic, and the App Store by bluedevil2k on Monday August 17, 2020 @02:11PM (#24190002)
They might want the App Store, we don't if they're willing to pay for it because they have no choice.

And it's absolutely a shakedown. It's not a service, it's a requirement. A service implies app developers have options. They do not. Apple could raise the price to 70% of the revenue and app developers would have no choice but to pay. It's not much different than the mob saying "it'd be a shame if this business went away for a while, wouldn't it" and demanded protection money.

Re:Apple, Epic, and the App Store by ntsplnkv2 on Monday August 17, 2020 @03:12PM (#24190697)
The App Store is as much the product as the iPhone.

Without the app store the iPhone is literally just a piece of hardware. The idea that the App Store isn't a product in and of itself is a falsehood.

> A service implies app developers have options. They do not.

They do - it's called Android.

Re:Apple, Epic, and the App Store by bluedevil2k on Monday August 17, 2020 @03:22PM (#24190798)
I've heard this argument before...

Internet Explorer is as much the product as Windows.

Without Internet Explorer Windows is literally just a piece of software.

They have options - it's called a Mac

Re:Apple, Epic, and the App Store by ntsplnkv2 on Monday August 17, 2020 @03:27PM (#24190867)
Ah hah! I'm glad you brought this up.

What did Internet Explorer have? DOMINANT MARKETSHARE. That was the problem - not that a program came bundled with software. Such a basic fact conveniently ignored because Apple Bad.

> Without Internet Explorer Windows is literally just a piece of software.

A piece of software that can do many things - an iPhone without apps just doesn't work. Apps run everything - from making phone calls to keeping notes. Windows without internet can still be used. Bad analogy.

Re:Apple, Epic, and the App Store by chipotle_coyote on Monday August 17, 2020 @04:14PM (#24191486)
Internet Explorer didn't have dominant market share; Windows did. You say the problem wasn't that a program came bundled with software, but that was literally the heart of the antitrust action: the government contended that Microsoft was using their defacto operating system monopoly of Windows to give IE a leg up on non-bundled competitors.

> An iPhone without apps just doesn't work.

Sure, but an iPhone without an App Store works fine -- that was literally the way the first iPhone shipped, remember? -- so I'm not quite sure your analogy is a slam dunk here. :)

Re:Apple, Epic, and the App Store by zepto on Monday August 17, 2020 @09:56PM (#24194521)
The iPhone without an App Store doesn’t work fine to install software.

Remember - they originally said - just use web apps, but developers demanded a way to install software, and Apple developed the App Store in response to that demand.

Re:Apple, Epic, and the App Store by zepto on Monday August 17, 2020 @03:36PM (#24191002)
We know some of them want it because a lot of them say so elsewhere in this threads.

Nobody is forcing developers to develop for iOS.

If Apple raised their rate to 70%, I’d build for the web or Android in a heartbeat.

It can be both a service and a requirement for iOS developers without being a shakedown.