Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

Re:Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers f... by sershe on Monday August 17, 2020 @01:22PM (#24189379)

Unrelated but it cracked me up... I do a bunch of outdoor stuff but really couldn't get into surfing (and downhill skiing) because you have to wait/jostle with people/paddle forever/wait some more until you finally get 1 minute of enjoyment (or more like 10 seconds when you are starting out with surfing). I thought it was the beginner problem because the places where I can be are so few, and I suck at catching waves... so if I only practiced it would all be long rides with minimal downtime. I figured I'd never get around to actually do it, and it turns out I didn't make a mistake :) The worst you have to deal with in climbing is getting up super early so you could be the first on some popular route :)

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Re:Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers f... by geebee on Monday August 17, 2020 @02:54PM (#24190515)

I suspect part of the problem (for surfing) is the absence of a clear line-up. It's not the wait that bugs me, it's the constant maneuvering (and physical dangers of collisions in the water with boards). If I could join a clear defined lineup, wait my turn, paddle into a wave that I knew was mine to take, get a nice long ride, and re-join the lineup, I'd be fine with it. That there is such a thing as a line up at breaks with very well defined take-off zones, but even that breaks down pretty quickly in a crowd. A small number of surfers can make it happen, but good breaks in an accessible place (certainly everywhere in Santa Cruz) will exceed this crowd size 98% of the time.

I'm not a climber at all, but I've done a little bit of climbing on an indoor wall, and a crowded day means you need to wait longer, which is a hassle, but I get the feeling there's a much clearer sense of how to wait for your turn, with less interference when it is your turn. No idea if this is the case for outdoor climbing, though, or at more advanced sites. I'd still prefer a less crowded day with shorter lines of course - but crowds on a surf break don't just make it take longer to get the experience of a ride, they can pretty well ruin it. That's a big part of why I only surf uncrowded beach break.

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Re:Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers f... by sershe on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @01:04PM (#24201194)

On multi-pitch outdoor routes, if you get on first you usually stay first until the end unless there's a much faster party and a bypass pitch they can use, or you let them climb thru or use the same anchor (if they are faster they are not going to be in your way anyway, so why not). So for good beginner climbs you just have to get there super early and it's yours.

Crowds can be a problem at good beginner-friendly single-pitch crags, but yeah lining up for a popular route is pretty straightforward if annoying.

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Re:Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers f... by odessacubbage on Monday August 17, 2020 @08:57PM (#24194173)

with skiing at least, that problem goes away almost entirely once you can confidently get down blacks & double blacks. even short of that, congestion is only ever really a problem at the base of the mountain, everywhere else it is rare to even be within vision of ten people at any given time.

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