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Re:Psychedelic drugs reduce depressive symptoms by helping p... by im3w1l on Saturday August 15, 2020 @05:00PM (#24172366)
Even with all the caveats it's still interesting. It suggests that if someone is determined to use psychedelics to self-medicate their depression, you should not try to stop them.

A priori you might think there is is a high likelihood that the drug use will just make everything worse.

Re:Psychedelic drugs reduce depressive symptoms by helping p... by acituan on Saturday August 15, 2020 @06:03PM (#24172811)
> It suggests that if someone is determined to use psychedelics to self-medicate their depression, you should not try to stop them.

That is precisely the bias and weakness of this study. Self-medication is almost always a red flag; why not do it in a context of other people that know their stuff, be it tradition, institution (therapy) or even close friends that are mutually invested in each other's long term well-being? DIY approaches to self-transformation are fragile; no one to hold you out of potential pitfalls, to protect you from re-traumatization, to call you out on your self-deception.

The title of the article that it "reduces depressive symptoms" is also telling of this bias. If symptom reduction was equivocal to enduring transformation, weed, cocaine and alcohol would have already healed the entire world. Without the study measuring if the subjects transformed their lives in a way that they were equally symptom free for the next 6 months, 1 year, 5 years, we can't conclude anything curative really took place.

Don't get me wrong, they make a theoretical link to ACT in which experiencing of chronically difficult emotions are facilitated, which does offer potentially huge benefits, but just like we don't use studies on antidepressants that show symptom reduction to go shop bunch of prozac, we shouldn't readily assume we can use this one to facilitate our own healing in a DIY fashion either.

Re:Psychedelic drugs reduce depressive symptoms by helping p... by astrophysician on Saturday August 15, 2020 @05:13PM (#24172450)
I disagree -- "studies" like this give people the potentially misleading impression that psychedelics are helpful for depression and other mental health issues, so people who otherwise would have not used them may be more likely to, and we have no idea how this shakes out in an unbiased sample.
Re:Psychedelic drugs reduce depressive symptoms by helping p... by dongvsascript on Saturday August 15, 2020 @09:43PM (#24174120)
and it does make it worse. "if someone is determined to use psychedelics to self-medicate their depression" they recognize they have a problem, are trying things to fix it, and hence have a higher chance of a control group that does nothing, or doesn't acknowledge how bad they feel, or have an urge to get better.

you select a sample of people who want to get better, and are surprised they get better more frequently than a group including people who don't? where's the test on a person depressed and not actively trying to get better taking the same drug? i bet the negative side effects and the death of extra brain cells makes it worse.

yes, if someone tries to use drugs to fix something, you absolutely should stop them. there's a reason you need a doctorate to prescribe those drugs.

new test. my test. I'm going to prove wikipedia makes you a neurosurgeon. let's take 300 highschool seniors who read a wiki article on neurosurgery. let's take another 300 from a random sampling at the dmv. send them all to school for neurosurgery. wow. just wow. the 300 who read the article - a higher percentage of them succeeded in becoming a neurosurgeon. holy crap. wikipedia is amazing.