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Re:Save the USPS by salusinarduis on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:35AM (#24153465)
The postal service is a basic service provided to citizens by the government. It does not need to make a profit, and thinking about it in that sense is absurd. Does it make sense to talk about Medicare turning a profit? Does NASA, the military (heh), welfare, garbage disposal... etc... need to turn a profit too in your mind?

"Everything needs to make a profit" is straight out of right wing talking points. The purpose, of course, is to psyop all of us into privatizing everything, so a few cronies can extract wealth from everyday things Americans need.

Re:Save the USPS by elliekelly on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:51AM (#24153639)
> "Everything needs to make a profit"

I finally started watching Star Trek because I kept seeing “Ferengi” mentioned in this context. I’m only a few episodes into Next Generation but so far the analogy definitely holds up.

Interestingly, in one of the episodes the Ferengi leader prioritizes his own personal gain (in the form of revenge) over profit and his fellow Ferengi are so disgusted by the behavior that he’s overthrown.

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Re:Save the USPS by akamoonknight on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:17AM (#24153896)
I mean, I'm not an expert, so I might be misreading here, but section 803 of your second link seems to say essentially that the USPS must pay into the retirement fund pre-emptively.

"Requires the Postal Service, beginning in 2007, to compute the net present value of the future payments required...Directs the Postal Service, for each year, to pay into the above Fund such net present value and the annual installment due under the amortization schedule"

The "50 years" part that you bring up is probably an exaggeration to some extent of the amount of time between when a person starts working for the USPS and when they retire, but the general concept behind the argument remains the same I would think.

Re:Save the USPS by salusinarduis on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:51AM (#24153632)
I agree there is room for private businesses to operate under the umbrella of regulation.

However, the USPS is designed to operate in circumstances where huge losses are inevitable (like shipping to remote towns always at a loss). We already have for profit shipping companies so I see no problem with the USPS, and actually applaud my tax dollars going towards giving every American access to mail.

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Re:Save the USPS by jhardy54 on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:42AM (#24153535)
Please follow the HN guidelines.

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.

If you can't accept the reality that USPS does more than deliver "grocery store spam" I'd recommend you abstain from adding to the conversation.

Re:Save the USPS by nostrebored on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:47AM (#24153600)
Sure, the USPS does more than deliver grocery store spam -- but not much more. A plurality of mail sent via USPS is spam, and the majority of that mail remains unopened (if it's not a leaflet).

The main parcel shipped by the USPS is physical waste.

Re:Save the USPS by MattGaiser on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:39AM (#24153504)
Except that the postal service plays a key role in medical care.

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/us-postal-service-role-in...

It is a lot more than just “grocery store spam.”

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Re:Save the USPS by evan_ on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:50AM (#24153630)
The VA sends medicine to millions of veterans through the mail. They’re not CVS. Your point is invalid.
Re:Save the USPS by nostrebored on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:59AM (#24153735)
The article linked specifically mentions that one of the main advocates for the Post Office from a medical standpoint are pharmacies. The point is certainly valid.

The high risk loans and bailouts given to the post service are absolutely more expensive than mailing medicine to veterans.

Re:Save the USPS by evan_ on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:04AM (#24153777)
The cost of keeping the post office afloat is part of the cost of mailing medicine to veterans.
Re:Save the USPS by nostrebored on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:22AM (#24153960)
Again, irrelevant. Yes, of course it's part of the cost of mailing the medicine to veterans, but it's the part that we're talking about.

The cost of mailing medicine to veterans is _part_ of the cost of keeping the post office afloat. Other parts of that cost are the problem, and private alternatives which charge higher rates for infrequently recurring mail are actually less expensive to the government.

Re:Save the USPS by jimktrains2 on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:50AM (#24153623)
It's about guaranteed delivery to an address. If you want to discuss the USPS rates, and how those rates are largely controlled by Congress, along with Congress saddening the post office with expenses no other organization has, we can have that discussion.
Re:Save the USPS by nostrebored on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:57AM (#24153715)
PAEA gave the post office much more autonomy over their rates. Months ago a bailout was offered on the stipulation of raised rates. The Post Office is culpable for their insane pricing.

And assuming you mean accounting for actuarial costs, other businesses certainly do need to account for those.

Re:Save the USPS by jimktrains2 on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:10AM (#24158172)
Can you please give examples of businesses that are required to prefund their pensions in the manner that the post office is?
Re:Save the USPS by jimktrains2 on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:47AM (#24153598)
Or maybe you're forgetting that the postal service delivers more than just spam and circulars? (Also, you're picking local grocery circulars as your example of spam? I would wager that grocery circulars are among the few pieces of unsolicited bulk mail that most people don't consider unwanted.)

The postal service also delivers tax documents, ballots, bills, and (actual and important, not the junk made to look as such) notifications from utilities. It's disingenuous to argue that the postal service doesn't do anything important.

Re:Save the USPS by nostrebored on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:03AM (#24153768)
Many of these are monthly, quarterly, or yearly subscriptions that do not account for a fraction of what the USPS delivers. The USPS delivered over 500 pieces of mail per living person in the US, including children, in 2014.

Were the US to pay for private delivery the 30-40 pieces of critical mail people receive each year and use bulk pricing discounts, they would likely come out ahead.