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Re:Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy by welterde on Thursday August 13, 2020 @07:31PM (#24151120)
If I am not mistaken the boring co test tunnels are actually slightly larger in diameter than the London tube tunnels (3.8m vs 3.6m), so you could actually run "standard" trains through those.
Re:Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy by ashtonkem on Friday August 14, 2020 @03:37AM (#24154972)
Ah, that is a very interesting detail. A compelling argument to stop with the whole “we’re going to zip around teslas” and just promise to make subways cheaper.
Re:Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy by Robotbeat on Sunday August 16, 2020 @01:06PM (#24179357)
The Boring Company And Musk said they’d be willing to make Subway tunnels, too.

Turns out Teslas are cheaper per passenger seat than a subway car plus have less requirement for specialized infrastructure (rails, etc). So if TBC is gonna be doing the whole project, they intend to use Teslas. It’s not a bad engineering choice. With automation (not hard in a tunnel), can achieve similar throughput as a Subway.

Re:Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy by welterde on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @05:57AM (#24196919)
There is no way you can get even close to the same capacity as a subway.. not even for a point to point setup.

Minimum train space with pretty standard signaling can be as low as 90s. With modern moving block systems that can be pushed even lower. The tube trains have a seating capacity of around 250 people and 800 people can be standing. This gives a capacity of between 3 and 12 people per second.

How are you going to inject 1 car per second (to reach the lower level) into the tunnel in a safe way? And even if you could do it - Consider how huge the stations must be. They have to contain 100+ cars plus space to enter/exit them (couple seconds to come to a stop, 10s of seconds to leave the vehicle - with some people quicker than others -, 10s of seconds for other people to enter the vehicle, couple seconds to accelerate and synchronize to the flow..).

Re:Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy by Robotbeat on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:56PM (#24225413)
Cars on freeways already regularly do sub-2 second spacing. If each vehicle had 7-16 people (as TBC plans), you’d get similar to Subway capacity.

Folks who dismiss getting subway-like throughputs haven’t actually done the math.

Re:Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy by welterde on Friday August 21, 2020 @08:50AM (#24234438)
The planned capacity is however only 4400 people per hour for the CES tunnel so about 14s spacing (some other projects even lower). One train every 90s has a capacity of more than 10000 people (and that's not even rush hour with any people standing).

Sub-2 second spacing is quite unlikely to be used, since stopping distance (with 0 reaction time, which is not too unreasonable with LIDAR/RADAR) dictates around 2s spacing between vehicles (1.9s at 100km/h for teslas I believe). And while humans might be fine with ignoring safety aspects computers can't and shouldn't.

Nevermind that building a subway-light vehicles (more similar to a people mover) is not really the same thing as using slightly-modified Teslas as subway replacement (which is what it seems they will be using for now)..