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Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by Barrin92 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:21PM (#24147225)
>on HN the monopoly comments are so crazy sometimes

what's crazy is harping on a technicality about the word "monopoly" and then to ignore the actual issue that is implied by the criticism, market power.

Even two companies aren't a market, if you get hung up about monopoly call it a duopoly. The state of affairs is ridiculous. There should be a thriving market of competing stores, payment systems, operating systems and so on, yet we're stuck with at best two alternatives, both of which are extremely locked down.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by 52-6F-62 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:37PM (#24147500)
But is that required on each and every platform available on the market?

Sure, there should be more platforms available. I'm into that. Personally, I bought an iPhone because of the closed ecosystem. I don't want to have to think about my phone that much, but I want to be able to rely on it. That's what I paid for and that's what I'm getting.

From my perspective demanding that the platform be open to any and everything is a bit like going to a carwash and demanding they also do your house.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by jackson1442 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:06PM (#24148011)
Agree. Other comments raise the point of “what if Windows decided to do this... is it okay because Linux exists?” and the answer is clearly no. I bought an iPhone with the expectation that I would be in a closed ecosystem; if win10 updated to mirror win8 RT where you could only use the windows store, that would obviously be a problem because win10 users purchased a license with the expectation that they could install whatever they wanted on it.

> I don’t want to have to think about my phone that much, but I want to be able to rely on it.

I’m in the exact same boat; I have no interest in sideloading every app that decides to get into a pissing match with Apple (and as Spotify’s hinted at it before, they will certainly be losing my subscription if I need to sideload their app). For every app that has a legitimate reason to sideload (i.e. payments), there will be another app that sideloads to bypass the user-beneficial aspects of the App Store (i.e. Onavo from Facebook).

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by jimbokun on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:53PM (#24147788)
> There should be a thriving market of competing stores, payment systems, operating systems and so on

That sounds terrible. Myriad incompatible ways to find apps, having to give your financial information to lots of different systems you have to investigate individually, or not be able to do business with someone using a different system, apps only being available on the small number of devices running the OS they were developed for.

All the things you mention benefit massively from network effects, which can greatly benefit consumers.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by Barrin92 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:01PM (#24147927)
>apps only being available on the small number of devices running the OS they were developed for.

that is a weird complaint because that is the status quo due to closed platforms, I can't run facetime on an android phone.

Diverse ecosystems develop protocols to enable interoperability, that's where the slogan "protocols, not platforms" comes from. This is how the internet works, despite the fact that you can hook up anything from a fridge running windows ME to a supercomputer running suse to it, everyone communicates just fine.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by threatofrain on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:46PM (#24147657)
It's strange that there are different hardware vendors, it's just that making your own software experience seems suicidal. Perhaps in an alternative reality, the US government would've invested in Firefox OS among other competing projects.