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Re:China hires over 100 TSMC engineers in push for chip lead... by godelski on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @08:25PM (#24138717)
I could imagine a collaboration effort from companies like Google, Intel, Nvidia, and Amazon that would reduce the risk to each individual company and result with big benefits. There's been a lot of talk lately about TSMC not being able to produce enough chips for demand. Sounds like the time to take the risk is better than previously.

(I'd also argue that there are benefits to having a fab lab closer to these companies headquarters)

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Re:China hires over 100 TSMC engineers in push for chip lead... by jojobas on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @08:36PM (#24138788)
No money in the world would get you near TSMC in less than 10 years.

Source: China throwing all the money in the world, stealing some IP and still not catching up in 20 years.

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Re:China hires over 100 TSMC engineers in push for chip lead... by godelski on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @09:09PM (#24138996)
Playing catch-up is a lot easier than innovation. I'm not sure I buy the claim that another company couldn't catch up. The reason being because if you took all the employees from TSMC and put them in another company (and you weren't worried about IP claims) what would be different? We've seen several companies make up a lot of ground in a short period of time (AMD as an example). But also, 10 years isn't that long.
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Re:China hires over 100 TSMC engineers in push for chip lead... by coreblocks on Thursday August 13, 2020 @10:41AM (#24143802)
Actually the major problem for most fabs (Intel/GloFo/Samsung/etc) is not that they can't make 7nm chips, it's they can't make it cheap enough (in high enough yields) to compete with TSMC. However in this case, China can subsidize SMIC to produce at a loss until they eventually catch up compared to the open market.
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Re:China hires over 100 TSMC engineers in push for chip lead... by godelski on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:02PM (#24146977)
> subsidize [] to produce at a loss until they eventually catch up compared to the open market.

Isn't this effectively the Silicon Valley model? Corner the market, control, set price.

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