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Re:TSA considers new system for flyers without ID by jedberg on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @05:18PM (#24126095)
Unless you have a reason to go, your wait at an SF DMV will be less than the 1.75 hour trip, unless you like driving. :)

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/field-office/san-jose-driver-l...

They even have graphs with historical wait times so you can time it for a low point.

But the big key is filling out the paperwork online. That is what gets you the cut in line pass. I passed a 30 minute line with that.

Re:TSA considers new system for flyers without ID by thephyber on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @06:04PM (#24126560)
> They even have graphs with historical wait times so you can time it for a low point.

I no longer trust those measurements.

Needing to visit the DMV for whatever paperwork (maybe in-person license renewal), I checked the DMV website. One of the local offices had a very short wait time compared to all of the others (maybe 5 minutes versus 1hr+). I went to the office with the short wait time displayed on the website only to find out they had a ridiculously long line outside the office to get the ticket, which starts the timer. They were gaming the per-customer timer by metering the rate at which customers outside the building could enter the building to get the ticket.

I thought it was both terrible and creative at the same time. Decent example of Goodhart's Law[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

Re:TSA considers new system for flyers without ID by jedberg on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @07:53PM (#24127293)
I don't trust the estimates online either, but I do trust the relative data within each DMV. So I think the graphs that tell you number of people per hour are relatively correct and can be used to predict how busy a DMV will be.