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Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by nilkn on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @05:33PM (#24126236)
It depends on whether the reader feels diversity should be reduced to a PR tool and a mechanism of distraction, which seems disconnected from whether you’re for or against diversity as a goal for the organization. In fact, I’d think both folks for and against it would find this reductive usage onerous at best.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by AOsborn on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @05:55PM (#24126494)
I don't agree. I think the whole press release comes off quite dishonest and manipulative.

I'm not quite sure who the intended audience of the release is. Releasing a statement announcing the layoff of many employees while trying to position the company as "a technical powerhouse of the internet activist movement" just screams insincerity.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by zentiggr on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @11:01AM (#24132702)
To me it seems not so much insincere, but incoherent.

This all sounds like a bunch of grasping at big picture straws, not announcing a new actual direction.

I'd be very wary of what we hear from Mozilla leadership in the next few months.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @05:17PM (#24126084)
Honestly, I think the exact opposite of what you're implying. If you truly value diversity, you don't use it as some sort of cover in the first paragraph of your layoff announcement.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by tracker1 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:56PM (#24127899)
Any corporate entity making claims of supporting diversity without creating efforts to improve actual diversity which requires much earlier interaction long before hiring, is likely not really concerned about diversity but virtue signaling.

This is just my own opinion. There's also the consideration that merit and talent should exceed diversity as a goal. For developers, I find that those that I would hire are roughly 10-15% of those I've interviewed. I've always paid more attention to content and character, and that has shaken itself out to include quite a bit of diversity in the end without being a goal.

Maybe it's a side effect of coming from a generation online before cameras and even gui interfaces were really much of a thing. I never really cared much about someone's sexual or racial identities, only what their ideas and statements were. I almost wish we could return to those things. When I see a pull request on github, I don't go looking into the person, only the code.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by mulmen on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @05:03PM (#24125941)
It really doesn't. I can support diversity while also not being impressed by corporate PR. I'm not sure how they are actually related at all?
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by ekianjo on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @05:49PM (#24126432)
> That depends entirely on how the reader feels about diversity.

Or that depends entirely on how the reader is used to seeing buzz words the whole time used in unrelated contexts. You know, not every mundane thing is life bears relation to high ideals.

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Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by johnnyanmac on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @07:00PM (#24126962)
>EDIT: ...aaaaand you downvoted me. Typical.

this isn't reddit. Even if you have downvote priveledges, you can never downvote direct replies to your own comments. so it was not them.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by SpelingBeeChamp on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @01:34AM (#24128873)
*privileges

(just a friendly heads up)

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by tempestn on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @01:35AM (#24128876)
You're getting downvoted and all the replies are disagreeing with you. Is it because everyone else is misunderstanding your clear, reasonable argument, or is it more likely something to do with the way you're communicating it?
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by staycoolboy on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @10:44AM (#24132508)
It appears to be the former because no one addressed my point that people have different viewpoints.

In my original post I stated that people would only eyeroll a reference to diversity based on how they view diversity. That's it.

I thought that was harmless and succinct. People have different points of view, and no person can anticipate how another person will react. Then people tried to explain to me that I was wrong, which means: people's views DON'T actually play into how they react, which is demonstrably false. See that? In order to argue me, you have to take the position that you know exactly how everyone will already react.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by tempestn on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:06PM (#24138134)
OK, so what's the point you were trying to make with your initial statement? If you were just making the tautological statement that people act based on their points of view, a fact which if meant literally is both obvious and irrelevant, then what was the point of making that comment?

Rather, your comment strongly appeared to suggest that you were implying one would support Mozilla's statement if they supported diversity, and vice-versa. But if you were trying to imply that, it appears you missed the point of the parent's comment. And if you weren't trying to imply that, and weren't just stating a tautology, then it still isn't clear what point you are trying to make.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by esperent on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @08:49PM (#24127582)
> six people claimed I was wrong, which means they can read minds

No, it means you communicated badly, and your edit and replies are doubling down on that.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by johnnyanmac on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @06:57PM (#24126947)
>Critical thinking means removing your emotional bias from analysis.

it also means not immediately dismissing different perspectives.

It is self defeating to remove emotional bias when the statement in question is an emotional plea. That's likely the root of all the reservations you're getting in replies.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by staycoolboy on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @07:04PM (#24126995)
I never dismissed anything. You literally dismissed ME. sigh