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Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by JAlexoid on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @01:39PM (#24123193)
Google isn't top of the list - because it's way easier for a user to stop using, than MC and Visa networks.

I would argue for an EU type approach and instead of regulating Google or payment networks - force demonopolization and opening up markets to more competition.

If you wish I can even share the priority list in my mind, for what sectors require addressing before Google:

1. Actual local monopolies

2. Local education sectors and their organisations

3. Radio spectrum for local wireless internet and cable providers (to challenge local cable monopolies)

4. Banking and payments systems

5. Construction sector

... basically there's 99 problems and Google ain't one.

Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by badRNG on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:26PM (#24123886)
Monopolization of any industry isn't high up there on the priority list of issues we should address by far.

Climate change, election interference, and COVID-19 are far more pressing issues than monopolization.

However the fact that these other bigger issues exist doesn't mean we shouldn't care about or take action on the lesser. If one brings up how we should address issue 'x' and are met with "but what about issue 'y'?" it does give the impression of deflection or of whataboutism.

Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by theplague42 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:38PM (#24124093)
So when Facebook has a monopoly on social media and allows misinformation to spread about _those exact three topics_, what would you suggest we do about it?
Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by Nasrudith on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @04:54PM (#24125861)
That post is ironically itself misinformation and leading assumptions.

1. Facebook is a monopoly on social media is a false assumption. Even limiting it to the mainstream there is reddit and twitter. Tumblr a prior competitor essentially died by "suicide" after being bought up. 2. That allowing misinformation is a problem and something that "we" should do about it. That is not only contrary to the first ammendment but suffers from watching the watchmen problems. 3. To demand to be able to stop it on a technical level is absued epistemologically as asking bullets to only kill bad people or encryption to let "good guys" in. 4. Misinformation itself is contextual. "Bleach kills the Coronavirus." is true. Saying "Bleach kills the Coronavirus!" in the context of cleaning treatment equipment is still technically true but there may be implementation issues with what may be washed safely and misses nuance when it corrodes fittings. Saying "Bleach kills the Coronavirus" as a treatment itself is misinformation because it will kill the patient before it cures them in the same way a bleach embalming could eradicate infectious agents.

Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by joe_the_user on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @04:29PM (#24125605)
If Facebook didn't have a monopoly on social media, would competitive pressure make it stop what you consider misinformation? Of course not. You can find a stream of misinformation in more marginal press outlets. Only larger outlets that have a relative monopoly (NYtimes say), can afford to be relatively free of crude misinformation (but even here they have their very definite spin as does everything).

The only reason people are talking about forcing Facebook to impose some restrictions on communication is because Facebook has somewhat of a monopoly on some communication.

Which is to say that talk of Facebook and regulation winds up being "Facebook is big and powerful and we want the state to have that power instead, damn it". Without liking Facebook's approach all that much, I'm less of a fan of this.

Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by badRNG on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @03:07PM (#24124524)
I addressed this in the third sentence of my comment:

> However the fact that these other bigger issues exist doesn't mean we shouldn't care about or take action on the lesser. If one brings up how we should address issue 'x' and are met with "but what about issue 'y'?" it does give the impression of deflection or of whataboutism.

The point is that we can care about more than one issue at a time.

Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by freshhawk on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @03:40PM (#24125023)
But if you really cared about "election interference" then attacking media monopolies would be at the top of your list and you wouldn't make this argument.

You need to pick things that aren't directly connected if you want to deflect, or your argument comes across as being too obviously in bad faith.

Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by tehjoker on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:30PM (#24123954)
Those issues are all interrelated. We can't solve them because of corporate domination of the political system and the buying off of the American intelligensia.
Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by Nasrudith on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @04:34PM (#24125656)
Where did that assumption come from? Just because people disagree doesn't mean they are bought off. Citation definitetly needed to even remotely approach a pattern like "bought off" let alone a proof.
Re:The case for why Google should be regulated as a public u... by tehjoker on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:06PM (#24137590)
It comes from years of observation and study of the structure of the government and society. If you're interested there are many books about this from Manufacturing Consent by Edward S. Herman to critiques of the academy that shut up after the state started funding them extravegantly after WW2, to the current ossification that is easily observed where no policies are allowed to shift that benefit the wealthy at the expense of society. It is so extensive that one or two citations isn't sufficient and deserves a lifetime of study.