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Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by filleduchaos on Monday August 10, 2020 @08:05PM (#24115731)
That is not at all how that works. How do you reconcile this altruism with Britain's continued trade with and reliance on goods from the Americas and their continued use of slave labour? How is it that so many Westerners keep making these strangely naïve and surface-level readings of history and politics?

You might find this interesting: https://origins.osu.edu/review/after-abolition-britain-and-s...

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by docent8 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @12:12PM (#24133502)
Britain as a society was no doubt for and against slavery, given that its economy had major dependencies on slave-driven commerce and production. But that does not justify a purely cynical reading.

Most societies of that time did not even bother to outlaw slavery, let alone enforce those laws. There were contradictions within British society. That was an enormous advance over the many societies and nations that simply accepted slavery in that period.

Societies in Africa, the Middle East, the Americas, Asia and elsewhere in Europe were open in their commitment to and acceptance of slavery as an institution. You could say that slavery was the norm historically. Britain was the exception. And as the exception, managing a global empire, it continued to have many interactions with slave-driven economies.

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by trabant00 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @07:46AM (#24119318)
> How do you reconcile this altruism with Britain's continued trade with and reliance on goods from the Americas and their continued use of slave labour?

By simply not moving the goal posts.

> so many Westerners keep making these strangely naïve and surface-level readings of history and politics

So they are naive for noticing a good thing in an ocean of evil, and you are keeping it real by thinking that until everything is perfect no progress matters. Got it.

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by filleduchaos on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @08:26AM (#24119572)
It's not "moving the goal posts" to point out that the "great cost to her interests" was largely nonexistent considering that Britain kept right on benefiting from and funding it under the table - it's simply knowing enough of the history involved to not reason like a small child.
Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by trabant00 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @08:55AM (#24119780)
Keep adding insults to your posts. Makes you right every time.

And for the "benefiting", there's nothing anybody can do that you people won't label as benefiting even if it's 2nd, 3rd or 10th party. All the while posting this on devices produced by workers free only in name with materials from the poorest countries with the most horrible work conditions in their mines.

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by jhardy54 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @10:24AM (#24120545)
> you people

Yikes.

> All the while posting this on devices produced by workers free only in name with materials from the poorest countries with the most horrible work conditions in their mines.

Sweet, so you're obviously an anti-capitalist too right?

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by thu2111 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @12:05PM (#24121908)
The Empire traded with huge parts of the globe, not just America.

Are you saying that a failure to wipe out slavery everywhere simultaneously means the Navy's sacrifices of so many British lives were meaningless?

In the end, what ended mass slavery in the world? The British Empire and the American civil war, fought primarily by the descendents of the British. That's not nothing.

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by filleduchaos on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @01:27PM (#24122976)
I'll encourage you to read the linked article in my comment, thank you.