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Re:The Clean Network – United States Department of State by mindslight on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:56PM (#24112036)
The actions required to shut out that second attacker are blunt tools that impinge upon your personal freedom far beyond their stated purpose. And since you still have that primary attacker, then you still have to defend against them anyway.

The proper solutions to protect us from "China" are the same as the solutions to protect us from NSA - E2E encryption, P2P communication, decentralized namespaces, and making data transmission (ie trust) as non-interactive as possible.

Re:The Clean Network – United States Department of State by codemonkey-zeta on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:50PM (#24112663)
Can we realistically implement these in the near future? Will this not function as a stop-gap in the meantime while we do work on your (better) solution?
Re:The Clean Network – United States Department of State by mindslight on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:19PM (#24113549)
Yes they can be implemented, when there is necessity. The tech industry has been coasting on commercial surveillance to fund centralized solutions, relying on consumers not looking too hard behind the curtain. I'd say that overall fiction is what is really collapsing here.

I don't see how it's possible to answer whether this will "function". None of the simplistic actions stated in the press release address any of the actual threats - hence everyone is filling in their own imagined technical specifics. This is basically another "series of tubes" moment, with politicians not understanding that while they can control the physical wires, they cannot control the emergent complexity of communications happening over the wires.

Re:The Clean Network – United States Department of State by codemonkey-zeta on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:38PM (#24113712)
Is it really another "series of tubes moment"? Is it not true that a system crucial to the majority of economic, social, and political(!) activity in this country ought not to be running on hardware/software known to be designed/manufactured by what has proven to be a "malign actor"?