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Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by pessimizer on Monday August 10, 2020 @07:35AM (#24108127)
There's no identity to "whiteness" except racism against "non-white" people. There's no more reason a Polish person should relate to British or French colonialism than a Tunisian or a Libyan, other than the belief that they are united by whiteness. Slavic people weren't even considered white until very recently; intelligence tests in America were moved from the context of childhood development to mass testing with the primary purpose of excluding the Eastern European immigration that was thought to be a subhuman threat to the US gene pool.

> colonialism didn't really care about the colour of your skin

This is a step too far; if there's any home of white identity it's in the colonies that largely eradicated the natives, such as the US and Australia. Worldwide, people are racist against black people like Americans are. It's American tropes about black people that have traveled all over the world. Even the British, who had their own brutal African colonies, are racist towards black people through borrowed American language and imagery. Native British racism largely revolves around South Asia, just as native French (and Italian) racism is largely obsessed with Arabic-speaking North Africa.

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by zozbot234 on Monday August 10, 2020 @09:35AM (#24109042)
> There's no identity to "whiteness" except racism against "non-white" people.

Historically, this is quite wrong. By the late 19th to early 20th c., "white" identity in the U.S. had essentially become a way of providing all European immigrants with one common, shared identity thus obviating prejudice towards some European nationalities especially wrt. Central Europe (hence Germans, but also Slavs). To a significant extent, this is comparable to how self-identification as "white" is understood today, as well. There's nothing in such self-identification that implies prejudice against people of color.

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by Nasrudith on Monday August 10, 2020 @10:43AM (#24109777)
The implication is ingroup vs outgroup as immutables. Aparthiad South Africa had some darkly hillariously arbitrary (no pun intended) definitions of black and white such that Japanese were white and Chinese were once black.

Roman identity also fits within the ingroup-outgroup frameworm but not quite immutable. It involved such odd priorities by modern standards like retiring a "gaulic stereotype" class of gladiators after the conquest of Gaul because they were Roman now, even if many were slaves it became "politically incorrect".

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by tptacek on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:07PM (#24112850)
Not so much. This is one of those questions AskHistorians does a better job with than HN:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/758v1g/how_d...

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by zozbot234 on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:16PM (#24112937)
The AskHistorians answers are quite consistent with what I pointed out above. Of course one can always find plenty of historical anecdotes to quibble about wrt. what exactly happened in specific times and places, but that's neither here nor there.
Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by tptacek on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:22PM (#24113002)
I'd encourage readers to just check out the thread to see how true that is.