Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by makomk on Monday August 10, 2020 @06:45AM (#24107683)

We don't call what the Huns, Aztec, Chinese or Zulu did "colonialism" because it doesn't help the narrative. Notice how, in particular, there are plenty of people willing to call what happened to Ireland colonialism even though it involved solely neighbours and even though every single faction arrived there via England originally.

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Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by randompwd on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:44PM (#24113761)

> even though every single faction arrived there via England originally

The vikings & other nordics who bled in to early irish bloodlines didn't arrive via england.

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Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by discreteevent on Monday August 10, 2020 @06:23PM (#24114768)

Also a large genetic component of the Irish population is shared with people in the Iberian peninsula.

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Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by Veen on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @05:29AM (#24118651)

Yes, but the Iberian migration was just an earlier example of a long history of migrations and colonizations going back millennia. There was a time when the British Isles weren't populated by Homo Sapiens, and migrating people's found the lands empty (except for the occasional band of Neanderthals), but it's deep in pre-history and since then migration has almost always involved some level of population replacement and/or subjugation by new elites.

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Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by disgruntledphd2 on Monday August 10, 2020 @10:15AM (#24109476)

Ireland is probably better framed as (mostly) entrenched religious discrimination and subjugation on that basis (for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Laws)

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