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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by Reelin on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:20AM (#24106147)
> if you sink to the 90th percentile of privilege from the 99th, you'll become a "second class human"

That isn't what the person you're responding to said at all. They were observing the discrimination against those who are not Han in China and extrapolating that it would apply to them as well in a China-centric world.

They don't want to be discriminated against. That's all that's being said. (Well also they're saying that they appreciate freedom of speech and some other stuff that China seems to be diametrically opposed to, but you didn't respond to that so I guess it's not relevant to my comment.)

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by knzhou on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:24AM (#24106185)
The "discrimination" they fear is no longer automatically being worshipped the second they step foot in a non-Western country, for being the richest guy in every room. In other words, what they actually fear is dropping from 99th percentile to 90th, and they think that possibility is worth starting World War III over.

That attitude is typical, and precisely why people in China find the West so unconvincing.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by throwaway1yf on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:53AM (#24106361)
> In other words, what they actually fear is dropping from 99th percentile to 90th, and they think that possibility is worth starting World War III over.

Classic siege mentality. First assume OP is white and rich, then accuse the West hindering China from getting powerful while OP is focusing on human rights and equity. To be frank your argument is no better than common cliches from Wumao and Xiaofenhong.

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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by aww_dang on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:33AM (#24106240)
At this point you could create a drinking game based on each iteration of whataboutism or conflation of criticism of the CCP with racism.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by Reelin on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:46AM (#24106311)
> conflation of criticism of the CCP with racism

Which is particularly ironic since it appears to have been pointing out the racism that currently exists within China that started all this.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by aww_dang on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:52AM (#24106355)
Irony abounds. The OP doesn't even mention a particular race in the comment. Yet the responses assume he is white with all of the trappings of privilege. Not impossible to characterize this assumption as racist on multiple levels.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by knzhou on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:28AM (#24106532)
It was not a hard thing to infer. There is a very particular kind of deep ignorance one needs to write a comment like OP's.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by knzhou on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:29AM (#24106216)
Do you really think agitating for World War III was productive to start with? I pointed out rationally and straightforwardly where such extreme opinions come form.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by Reelin on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:33AM (#24106243)
> agitating for World War III

I read the original comment as being against it but wondering if it's an inevitable outcome. That's a very reasonable thing to want to discuss - many of the respondents here (including myself) appear not to share the view that it's inevitable.

> I pointed out rationally and straightforwardly

You mean the part where you literally made things up about what the other party thought?

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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by Reelin on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:41AM (#24106284)
> he thinks the prospect of there being a single non-white country not being crushingly poor "makes his hair stand on end"

As I previously pointed out, that is absolutely not what was said. Please stop making things up.

Concern was expressed about the racism against those who are not Han which currently exists in China. The original commenter professed a fear of what that would look like for outsiders in a China-centric world.

You appear (IMO) to be trying to distract from the fact that there is racism within China today. (As there is, of course, in many other places to varying extents - including but certainly not limited to the US.)

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by knzhou on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:45AM (#24106304)
> The original commenter professed a fear of what that would look like for outsiders in a China-centric world.

Yes, and for the third time now: my point is that the absolute worst-case scenario for the original commenter is still miles better than what 90% of the world (i.e. everybody non-white) faces today.

The worst-case scenario in OP's book is that China joins the ranks of first world countries, which then go from being 100% white to 90%. He'd still be rich, and he'd still be comfortable, but he'd have to share first world status with others. And for some reason, that's unacceptable.

Worst case, he might miss out on one business deal because it was struck in Mandarin, which is an absolutely tiny reflection of the loss of opportunity faced today by everybody who doesn't know English. And that in turn is tiny compared to the reality that 100 million people died of starvation in the 20th century. Famine, disease, and poverty are global moral catastrophes of unimaginable scale. And OP just thinks a country managing to stop them for its citizens gives him the creeps.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by Reelin on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:52AM (#24106353)
> my point is that the absolute worst-case scenario for the original commenter is still miles better

So we shouldn't worry about something bad because worse has happened before?

> The worst-case scenario in OP's book is that China joins the ranks of first world countries, which then go from being 100% white to 90%.

You're making things up again. OP described living in a China-centric world, not one of equals. (Also your population statistics are _way_ off. 100% to 90%? The population of China is comparable to every other western country combined.)

> Worst case, he might miss out on one business deal because it was struck in Mandarin

Worst case, he might be actively discriminated against and passed over because in spite of investing considerable time in mastering Mandarin he's not Han.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by knzhou on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:55AM (#24106367)
> OP described living in a China-centric world, not one of equals.

Yes, but there's no evidence to suggest this will be the case. The average yearly income in China is not even half what a minimum wage worker gets in the US! And yet OP thinks China will promptly take over the world. That's yellow peril at work.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by Reelin on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:00AM (#24106392)
> Yes, but there's no evidence to suggest this will be the case.

Agreed, at least to the extent that I don't see a way to meaningfully predict that sort of outcome one way or the other.

> And yet OP thinks China will promptly take over the world. That's yellow peril at work.

On the contrary, that's just someone whose looked at recent economic trends and population statistics extrapolating from them intuitively.