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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by actuator on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:41AM (#24105614)
I really don't see any change that can realistically take roots there.

We have seen harsh sanctions fail to bring changes in a small poor country like NK where anyone looking South must be amazed at where they could have been.

In case of PRC, forget a kinetic physical action. Their economy is so interconnected with every other major economy that no one can afford even actual sanctions.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by pm90 on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:48AM (#24105650)
The most practical outcome seems to be a gradual emigration of all the HK citizens to the UK/other countries. I can imagine citizens forming networks where they would warn each other of an upcoming arrest so their friends/family would scurry out of the country.

I am hopeful that the sheer number of citizens in HK would perhaps lead to the city retaining some of its independence. We can't predict the future... who knows? What if Xi dies in the next 5 years and his successor isn't such a hardliner?

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by terenceng2010 on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:33AM (#24105893)
Some professions like teacher are tough to find a similar role in other country. Different qualication, teaching language and teaching method they have to accomendate. It's a tough call to them.

For IT profession though, it's more flexible. Personally, I have worked in a multi-nation develop team, and the experience is good.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by actuator on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:02AM (#24105718)
I think that is easy for us as outsiders to say or hope. Leaving everything behind and moving into a foreign land with a different culture is hard and not a lot of places are very welcoming.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by petre on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:18AM (#24105811)
It's too late for any of that now.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by ardy42 on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:06AM (#24106426)
> In case of PRC, forget a kinetic physical action. Their economy is so interconnected with every other major economy that no one can afford even actual sanctions.

Not suddenly, but every other major economy could probably afford a gradual distancing that ends up in more-or-less the same place.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by actuator on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:44AM (#24106638)
US's bipartisan opposition might just be electioneering.

I think Germany's actions speak far more than any other country's. I would have assumed someone like Merkel to be tough here based on her standing on social issues and how she handled the migrant crisis. She, at least in the West had an image of a liberal leader with the right attitude on challenges of our times like climate change. But even Germany seems to be tiptoeing around while they look to sign a trade deal.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by throwaway77643 on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:47AM (#24105970)
In the 1920s, I don’t think any person could have imagined the progress in Civil Rights that would occur in America.

And yet it happened. From racist Jim Crow laws to Gay Rights, the progress made in 100 years is astonishing.

Give the PRC 100 years and who knows how it might change.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by akiselev on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:18AM (#24106490)
> In the 1920s, I don’t think any person could have imagined the progress in Civil Rights that would occur in America.

No one imagined it in the 1920s because they had already imagined it in the 1860s but got Jim Crow instead.

Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by AnimalMuppet on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:58PM (#24112074)
And yet, those who didn't imagine it in the 1920's still got civil rights in the 1960s.

So in your view, what were we supposed to learn from history?

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by akiselev on Sunday August 16, 2020 @11:52PM (#24183758)
> So in your view, what were we supposed to learn from history?

The south will burn again

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by dogma1138 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:43AM (#24117763)
Australia had a ban on non-white immigrants till 1955, civil rights weren’t a US only issue.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by ffggvv on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:20AM (#24106148)
yes because we have democracy, a constitution, and a working court system and free speech.

china has none of that

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by peanutz454 on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:47AM (#24106320)
I guess that's exactly what Thatcher thought would happen when she handed over Hong Kong - That China will make progress towards liberalism in politics and economics. Instead of China becoming like the rest of the world, I am wary of the world becoming like China. Progress has been made in the past, but cannot take that for-granted.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by toyg on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:31AM (#24106555)
Thatcher did not “hand over” anything - the lease of HK would expire in 1997, so the UK government had no legal basis to stick around unless the Chinese allowed them to. Unsurprisingly, a “restored” China, now nuclear, said no. Thatcher failed to persuade them otherwise, despite years of negotiations, and was effectively forced to swallow the handover.