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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by aww_dang on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:14AM (#24105496)
They've claimed authority to extradite anyone (including non-Chinese citizens) under this new law.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by labster on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:23AM (#24105545)
And invoked that authority: China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/china/hong-kong-activists-arr...

R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by 082349872349872 on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:44AM (#24105953)
> R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty

The russian who ran an african "security" company, just before Erik Prince started his post-Blackwater african project, was arrested in thailand and sent to the US.

(This is probably a good place to remind any HK'ers with piles of the ready, who have not already invested in Vancouver, that Subic Bay is no longer a US naval base, but instead offers condos and a yacht harbour, all within cruising distance of HK.)

Before handover, HK police would come in pairs, with at least one english and one cantonese speaker. My (very pale and blonde) friend's hobby was to approach the cantonese speaking cop, who would gesticulate wildly pointing at their partner ... and ask a question in decent cantonese.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by glandium on Monday August 10, 2020 @07:56AM (#24108288)
"an American citizen" who has not renounced his Hong Kong citizenship, so as far as that news is concerned, the fact that he also has American citizenship is irrelevant.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by harry8 on Monday August 10, 2020 @05:33PM (#24114255)
Julian Assange is charged by the US for conduct that did not take place in the US.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by thaumasiotes on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:33AM (#24105591)
> China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States.

> R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty

This reminds me of our arrest (well, Canada's arrest at our demand) of Meng Wanzhou.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by khuey on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:03AM (#24105726)
It really shouldn't. She's alleged to have committed bank fraud against American banks. Bank fraud is a crime everywhere.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by thaumasiotes on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:02AM (#24106054)
She's alleged to have been an officer in a company that disobeyed American prohibitions on trade with Iran.

Calling it "bank fraud" is just a way of avoiding the question of what she did that was wrong. Who's arresting Anish Kapoor and his co-conspirators for committing fraud against Stuart Semple?

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by KMag on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:01AM (#24106716)
I haven't read the indictment, but isn't the allegation that she's an officer of a firm that exported restricted US-made HP telcom equipment under agreement with the US government not to share that equipment with Iran, and used a shell company in HK to transfer that equipment to Iran? My understanding is they snapped her up on the money side of the transaction because her hands were more directly there and that part is easier to trace. She needed to perform banking fraud in the US in order to make payment in the US for the US-made equipment. I believe the allegation is that she knowingly flat-out lied to HSBC about the nature of the HK shell company in order to get HSBC to complete the payment in the U.S. At least, that's my understanding. Am I missing something?

It's not like she was simply on vacation buying tourist kitsch in Tehran or selling Hwawei equipment to Iranian companies. I believe the allegation is that both the equipment export and the payment sides of the transactions touched US soil and violated US law.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by khuey on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:08AM (#24106090)
You really should go read the indictment.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by _-___________-_ on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:26AM (#24106525)
I've read it, and just went and read it again. I agree with GP.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by Paradigma11 on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:18PM (#24112294)
But she did intentionally lie to the banks which, based on this lies, committed actions that they could be prosecuted for.

The validity of the iran embargo does not play a lot into this.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by aww_dang on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:07AM (#24105745)
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/11/asia-pacific/ho...

>"Trudeau also rejected the idea of a prisoner swap for Meng Wanzhou — eldest daughter of Huawei’s billionaire founder Ren Zhengfei — saying an exchange would “demonstrate to China that they can just arrest Canadians and get what they want out of Canada.” "

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by onetimemanytime on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:57AM (#24105694)
This is irrelevant, whether such law should exists is a different matter.

USA arrests, say Islamic terrorists, for conduct that occurred outside USA. If you incite acts against USA you will get charged no matter where you are.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by foogazi on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:49AM (#24106331)
whatabout the USA?
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by onetimemanytime on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:43AM (#24106627)
nothing to do with whataboutism. It has to do with where you are when you commit the crime. In China doing those things is a crime and it doesn't matter where or who are when you commit the crimes. The same with the USA and I guess most countries
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by PakG1 on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:20AM (#24105525)
That part is REALLY weird.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by ivalm on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:22AM (#24105542)
It is not weird in that countries enforce what they see as antiterrorism laws outside their borders (US is a prime example). The problem here is that China is targeting essentially anyone with a strong critical voice.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by throwaway77643 on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:38AM (#24105919)
Isn’t that pretty standard?

For example, Julian Assange, Kim Dotcom, and Richard O'Dwyer were all prosecuted for crimes committed outside the US.

Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by KMag on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:45AM (#24106972)
Kim Dotcom and Richard O'Dwyer were pretty ridiculous, but Julian Assange was trafficking in what he knew were stolen U.S. government secrets. I think there's a good first amendment defence for Assange, based on the public good and his role in whistleblowing, but I can understand why the UK would extradite someone allegedly knowingly handling stolen state secrets of an ally.
Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by seibelj on Monday August 10, 2020 @12:19AM (#24105520)
Good thing I never leave my house anymore!