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Re:5G Just Got Weird by elil17 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:18PM (#24101109)
I don’t really see 5G solving rural broadband issues. You still need to lay backhaul line from the node Bs, and 5G requires more of them, so it’s not orders of magnitude cheaper than running cable to home.
Re:5G Just Got Weird by aaomidi on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:58PM (#24101475)
A lot of rural areas have backbone just fine.

It's the last mile that's the issue.

You can find gigabit business internet basically anywhere.

Re:5G Just Got Weird by HeWhoLurksLate on Sunday August 09, 2020 @02:45PM (#24101845)
Woah, that's an enormous sweeping generalization.

I have a friend whose parents live in rural Kansas who to this day can't get more than dialup or satellite, even though they've called up every single semi-local ISP (way more than once) and said they'd be willing to pay for installation. At this point, they have more than $20K saved for the chance that some company says maybe.

It's simply way more complicated than you're making it out to be.

Re:5G Just Got Weird by dboreham on Sunday August 09, 2020 @03:06PM (#24101973)
No, parent cited _business_ Gigabit. You're talking about retail consumer connectivity. Totally different things. Based on my deep knowledge of connectivity options here in rural Montana parent is correct: there's lit fiber all over the place (certainly to all cell towers) and various telcos will trench up to 5km from any of those pops, for a price. So a business looking to acquire Gigabit connectivity can readily access it. Ask your parents to call the ILEC business sales guy and see what happens. They'll need $5k/mo budget for transit fees and be willing to sign a 3-5 year contract.
Re:5G Just Got Weird by HeWhoLurksLate on Sunday August 09, 2020 @04:00PM (#24102393)
I shall tell my friend about that. Thank you for the information!
Re:5G Just Got Weird by aaomidi on Sunday August 09, 2020 @05:16PM (#24102977)
There is also a website that documents where local schools get their internet from. You can also use those to find out potential providers. I'll try to find a link.

Found it: https://www.compareandconnectk12.org/

Re:5G Just Got Weird by tuatoru on Sunday August 09, 2020 @06:06PM (#24103353)
Rule of thumb for cable laying is between $20K and $100K per kilometre (0.609 mile) depending on environment. (Besides the actual laying, there's design, permits, landowner agreements, surface restoration, testing, certification, blah blah).

So your friend's parents' $20K gets them a kilometre of dark fibre. Maybe.

Edit to add: point-to-point wireless links might work better, but there again for a reliable wireless repeater you're looking at tens of thousands of dollars minimum in a rural environment. And in Kansas you're going to get bad Fresnel occlusion, so you need really big towers.

Re:5G Just Got Weird by menybuvico on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:34AM (#24105896)
Just adding to this by mentioning the situation is similar in distant parts of Europe; there's a lot of areas that aren't served by anything but 2G/3G and where you can't even get dial-up.
Re:5G Just Got Weird by elil17 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @06:48PM (#24103612)
Right, but many 5G technologies necessitate small cell size, which also creates a last mile issue.
Re:5G Just Got Weird by aaomidi on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:59AM (#24106388)
Building towers is far less costly than going to peoples homes.