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Re:IAM is hard – Thoughts on $80M fine from the Capital One ... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Saturday August 08, 2020 @08:03PM (#24096246)
> Not perfect but sometimes perfect is the enemy of good.

This. Add enough hurdles, and people will

a) spend all the energy they're willing to spend on your process, hate it, and as a result never do anything except what you force them to, and in particular, never voluntarily reduce permissions unless forced (because they might need them later and then it'll be a pain). They'll also see you as an enemy, not a partner, which is not the place a security team should be in.

b) optimize for not what is best, but what is least affected by your wall of process, even if it's less secure (e.g. because it's a legacy system that you didn't get around to locking down yet).

c) outsource to less secure vendors, and get it approved because management knows that getting it deployed internally would take forever due to the process

d) in the most extreme case, set up uncontrolled shadow IT with zero security controls and hide it from you - and because they already spent all their energy dealing with "perfect", they don't want to hear the word "security" ever again, and the security posture of their shadow IT shows this.

Re:IAM is hard – Thoughts on $80M fine from the Capital One ... by partyboat1586 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @04:41AM (#24098258)
Thank you for acknowledging this. I worked at a place like that and it put me off security to the point where I didn't want to ever deny any person or app or service permission to anything and was just happy with securing the edge nodes of our network. I got over it and now I'm in a position where my neck is on the line if there is a security breach I feel differently but I can still relate to myself back then and understand the need to be pragmatic and massage people into following the process rather than forcing them.