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Re:Silicon Valley’s Vast Data Collection Should Worry You Mo... by boomboomsubban on Friday August 07, 2020 @05:19PM (#24086552)
>When Google starts to have any inclination to put a bag over my head if I search the wrong thing, sure

Google based information is probably part of the Disposition Matrix, though that's unlikely to end with just a bag over your head.

>When Google starts having an interest in being able to blackmail people to get them to spy on their country or give up IP, then sure.

So what do you think of something like Elon Musk openly admitting to furthering a coup to secure resources? Is it only a problem with intellectual property?

>When the US Government can unilaterally demand security cooperation from Google in any way, shape, or form like the Chinese government can, then sure.

This isn't the case?

Re:Silicon Valley’s Vast Data Collection Should Worry You Mo... by sidlls on Friday August 07, 2020 @05:49PM (#24086815)
> Google based information is probably part of the Disposition Matrix, though that's unlikely to end with just a bag over your head.

While bad, this isn't remotely the same either in scope or scale as China's similar issues. In the US you end up in this matrix if you're perceived to be a legitimate, real, prone-to-violent-acts threat. In China you end up in their "disposition matrix" if you say anything negative about anyone in favor.

> So what do you think of something like Elon Musk openly admitting to furthering a coup to secure resources? Is it only a problem with intellectual property?

What makes you believe Musk?

> This isn't the case?

No, it isn't. At least nominally some kind of additional oversight, e.g., via a FISA warrant, is required.

Now, none of the above is meant to imply that operatives and agencies adhere to the rules 100% of the time. They do serve to mark a distinct, clear difference between the US and China, though, because at least in the US if/when these agencies and operatives are caught there are legal repercussions to face. In China there aren't any because these agencies and operatives' actions would just be standard operating procedure. It makes a difference.

Re:Silicon Valley’s Vast Data Collection Should Worry You Mo... by boomboomsubban on Friday August 07, 2020 @07:04PM (#24087317)
>While bad, this isn't remotely the same either in scope or scale as China's similar issues. In the US you end up in this matrix if you're perceived to be a legitimate, real, prone-to-violent-acts threat. In China you end up in their "disposition matrix" if you say anything negative about anyone

There is nothing to this except "I'm fine when the US does it." You have no idea which targets are real, prone to violence threats, or how valid either states research is before acting. Further, even if you're fine with the current US targets Google is still fine giving them that data even though it's being used to kill people.

>What makes you believe Musk?

The ousted president blaming such foreign interests, the new president opening up the mines despite public protest, and why would I doubt him?

>No, it isn't. At least nominally some kind of additional oversight, e.g., via a FISA warrant, is required.

In the absolute best case scenario, this only stays their hand when working inside the country. Though, I don't agree that they face repercussions for violating these laws.

Re:Silicon Valley’s Vast Data Collection Should Worry You Mo... by gentleman11 on Friday August 07, 2020 @05:47PM (#24086796)
Elon musk furthered a coup? Any references to that?
Re:Silicon Valley’s Vast Data Collection Should Worry You Mo... by longhairedhippy on Friday August 07, 2020 @06:39PM (#24087139)
Not the op but I'm betting they're referring to this: https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1607170043110/united-tesla-co...