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Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by coliveira on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:30PM (#24075666)
If capitalism is to be the law of the land, why not let the rich lose everything? I guess they can easily live on the streets.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by rcpt on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:34PM (#24075697)
"socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor"
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by nick_kline on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:35PM (#24076154)
Aka socializing the losses, privatizing the gains.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by treeman79 on Thursday August 06, 2020 @09:17PM (#24077044)
That’s one of the tenants (no pun) of capitalism.

Bad execution is punished by going out of business.

This forces everyone to be hyper efficient at taking raw resources and getting useful value out of them. Thus people have more goods for less money.

People get confused because government gets involved and you end up with cronyism.

Free market is as another comment says, the minimum amount of regulation possible that isn’t killing people.

Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by dragonwriter on Thursday August 06, 2020 @09:27PM (#24077102)
> People get confused because government gets involved and you end up with cronyism.

Government was involved from the beginning; capitalism was historically a redirection of the power of government from serving the feudal aristocracy to serving the mercantile class.

The utopian (and largely self-inconsistent) rationalizations for capitalism as something that magically exists separate from government and cronyism came much later than capitalism itself, and most of them even later than the early socialist critique of the reality of capitalism.

Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by notacoward on Thursday August 06, 2020 @11:03PM (#24077586)
> Bad execution is punished by going out of business.

That's true for the entrepreneurs, but this was about the investors and it tends not to be true for them. It should be.

Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by coliveira on Friday August 07, 2020 @01:45PM (#24084588)
Crony capitalism is something that doesn't exist. It is all capitalism. For example, Facebook using the support of the US government to control markets around the world (while TikTok is banned) is just capitalism. MZ's fortune can only happen due to this marriage of capitalism and government.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by bmm6o on Thursday August 06, 2020 @11:27PM (#24077792)
> That’s one of the tenants (no pun) of capitalism

Not sure if it's just part of the joke, but the word is "tenet".

Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by refurb on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:13PM (#24075999)
I gathered the issue is when the rich lose everything that snowballs into failing business and low to middle class unemployment surge.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by rurp on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:23PM (#24076776)
So... we'll let the bailouts trickle down?
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by coliveira on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:11PM (#24076390)
No, other people will take their place, this is how capitalism works. Let the rich lose everything.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:46PM (#24076885)
The rich may indeed deserve to lose everything ... or not, depending on your perspective.

But what's equally important is ... if they are going to lose everything, how much of the social, economic and political infrastructure do they destroy on the way down?

It may well be that the era of the mall is over, for example. But malls crashing and burning as the mortgages associated with them fail is very different than a slower process in which there is time to think about repurposing and to give those directly affected to contemplate their options.

Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by refurb on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:12PM (#24076725)
Sure, other people will pick up the pieces but that doesn’t mean much to the blue collar worker who is out of a job for 2 years while someone “takes their place”.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by gwright on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:44PM (#24076881)
I think it is better to reinforce social safety net programs for individuals (unemployment, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc) than it is to subsidize businesses. Businesses can restructure and re-allocate assets through sales, mergers, or even bankruptcy. In particular subsidizing now obsolete business models is madness to me. Help individuals who need help (why did stimulus checks go to people who still had jobs or who were retired?) and make it as easy as possible for businesses to restructure.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by Karunamon on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:50PM (#24076904)
>why did stimulus checks go to people who still had jobs or who were retired?

Because many people who still technically had jobs had their hours drastically cut, and because it's an economic stimulus, not strictly welfare.