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Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by gabcoh on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:12PM (#24074951)
Is releasing this legal? It seems like this person isn't really disguising their identity or concerned about breaking the law. In their profile they even seem to brag about leaking company's code.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dleslie on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:12PM (#24074960)
Of course it's not legal. This is exfiltrated intellectual property being shared without license.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by gabcoh on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:18PM (#24075010)
Is the person publishing this liable or just their source? Because this seems to be a hobby for the person publishing it and yet they also aren't concealing their identity. They list their former employer on their website.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by kmeisthax on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:53PM (#24075347)
Misappropriating trade secrets for financial gain is a punishable offense, and this data would qualify as a trade secret, at least for as long as it's not general knowledge to everyone or it has yet to be reverse-engineered. Aside from that, much of the data in these files has standard copyright and patent concerns.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by Nasrudith on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:02PM (#24075943)
Wouldn't financial gain limit it to essentially their competitors? Which renders that part irrelevant and is kind of a "no shit" to anyone actually working in processors not to include their stuff in there.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by sroussey on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:32PM (#24076515)
Also: financial damage
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by pizza on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:34PM (#24075698)
OK then, out of curiosity, what are the relevant laws being broken here?
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by gilgoomesh on Friday August 07, 2020 @12:08AM (#24078159)
Wire fraud and, trade secrets acts are the two that are usually applied in these cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defend_Trade_Secrets_Act

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by formerly_proven on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:47PM (#24076237)
Copyright infringement probably works for them.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by 21eleven on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:36PM (#24075187)
Is the person publishing it or are they linking people to a place where it is published?
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by jpxw on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:40PM (#24075237)
It seems that they are the ones publishing it, from the wording of the tweets.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by whydoyoucare on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:01PM (#24075422)
More likely the person publishing this isn't aware of the far reaching consequences.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by jki275 on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:13PM (#24075524)
You should look up Till Kottman's other work. Very aware.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dosshell on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:56PM (#24075389)
Which country laws does apply? Is it really illegal to share this in the whole world? Im not so sure about that.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by msbarnett on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:00PM (#24075414)
>Which country laws does apply?

At the very least, Intel owns the copyright on this material, so sharing it is a copyright violation in any country that is a signatory to the Berne Convention or the TRIPS Agreement, which is effectively almost the entire planet.

Then you have to add Trade Secret laws on top of that, which will have slightly narrower jurisdiction but still impact a lot of countries. There are very few places on earth where you would not be facing any legal trouble whatsoever for releasing this material.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by mindfulhack on Friday August 07, 2020 @03:25AM (#24079261)
Interesting info!

Here's a good list of potential candidate countries which are neither in Berne Convention nor TRIPS Agreement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention#List_of_count...

It may take effort and money to be protected, e.g. setting up a legal entity in that country which takes full responsibility and you cannot be legally forcibly unmasked as being a proprietor, and other local laws may need to be fully checked out to explore other risks.

Nothing is a guarantee and perfection doesn't exist but it's fun to explore these legal layers.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dathinab on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:43PM (#24076208)
But that only matters if given country also prosecute you effectively.

You probably find quite a bunch of countries where it's illegal but not prosecuted. Through I only know if Russia.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by drudru11 on Friday August 07, 2020 @07:43PM (#24087610)
Hi msbarnett: sorry unrelated to this thread. In an older thread you mention an acronym TFA. The thread was a discussion on sparse files and removing bytes from the front of a file. What is TFA?
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by msbarnett on Saturday August 08, 2020 @10:31PM (#24096824)
If you’re referring to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20110301, it stands for “The Fucking Article” as in http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/R/RTFM.html
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by drudru11 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @12:33AM (#24097282)
Haha - thanks :-) I thought it was an abbreviation for some special tome on Operating Systems design.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dathinab on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:41PM (#24076195)
For example in Russia you are basically guaranteed to not be prosecuted for all kinds of cybercrime as long as you don't have Russia/Russian companies or Russian citizens.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dleslie on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:58PM (#24075403)
Intel is an American company; so wherever there is an extradition treaty with the USA and where there are also similar laws.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by johnnyfaehell on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:46PM (#24075817)
Wouldn't the publishing part just be standard copyright infrignement and just a civil matter?
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by aflag on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:45PM (#24075813)
No country Will extradite their own citizens, though. If intel wants the person punished, they have to sue them in the country they live in.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dleslie on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:01PM (#24075936)
> No country Will extradite their own citizens, though.

This is demonstrably false. While not all of this list are Canadian citizens, some are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_extradited_fro...

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by refurb on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:10PM (#24076714)
Just had to remind of Charles Ng, huh? If you have a weak stomach, don’t dig further.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by deviarte on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:44PM (#24076217)
Not entirely correct. A lot of Latin American countries do it all the time.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by mensetmanusman on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:33PM (#24076522)
Most western countries agree that the concept of ‘intellectual property’ is a good thing and afford protection, or else society disincentivizes innovation due to game theoretic tragedy of the commons-type reasons.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by akimball on Friday August 07, 2020 @07:27AM (#24080736)
And thus there is a sell-by date on capitalism.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by olliej on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:17PM (#24075556)
Copyright law is fairly universal, so while stealing data/info from another company may not be illegal (depending on jurisdiction) copyright laws are pretty universal.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by ldiracdelta on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:30PM (#24076119)
For this code it might be export-controlled as well. Many things in Intel are export controlled.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:12PM (#24076405)
I don't believe this is accurate or in any way obvious even if this is the stance the courts would ultimately take. These files were downloaded from a publicly available CDN server discovered while browsing the internet. No authorization mechanisms were bypassed, no computer systems were hacked. These files are the result of a GET request to an Akamai server that happened to be hosting the files. Despite how this will be spun in pop culture, Intel did not secure access to these files. I'm not sure how you would prosecute someone for re-sharing a file they were given, under no legal contract, when they asked for it.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by MauranKilom on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:57PM (#24076955)
You have a lot of faith in how technically versed the law and courts are on these topics - because they sure haven't kept up with the times. And even if they were willing to split hairs over these technical details:

No civilian will agree with you that just because technically you could slip through several doors that happened to be not locked and got helpful advice from a neighbor, it doesn't mean that whatever you found behind those doors was "public" just because you didn't have to pick locks. Or that the photos you took of private company documents by social engineering your way inside must clearly be unsecured and publicly distributable because "they were given to me when I asked for them".

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Thursday August 06, 2020 @09:11PM (#24077020)
This isn't slipping through various open doors. There were no doors. This is literally a public server on the public internet serving files publicly. Intel is grossly negligent in securing their assets if they're hosting what they consider to be confidential trade secrets on public CDN servers.

The analog would be if I posted a flyer on a telephone pole with what I considered confidential information and someone else took a picture of it. There's no way you could argue that I had a reasonable expectation that only people for whom the flyer was intended would be able to view the flyer.

If someone deliberately bypassed computer security measures to acquire this information I'd agree. But you don't get a free pass to be negligent just because you're a big company. I suspect the EFF would support my viewpoint as they supported Weeve's appeal of a much more contentions and ethically gray scenario (the acquisition of personal information from a server that was negligently "secured" and required someone to imitate the calls an iPad would make).

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dleslie on Thursday August 06, 2020 @10:45PM (#24077481)
> This is literally a public server on the public internet serving files publicly.

The flyer analogy does not work because the services were not broadcasting or otherwise advertising their presence.

Following the house analogy, the thief tested all the front doors on the street and opened those which were not locked.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Friday August 07, 2020 @02:21AM (#24078928)
Then search engines must not be legal. They crawl the public internet and index what they find.

What you’re effectively saying is that the flyer is unknowable unless a Street-view car drove past and snapped a picture of it and its owner engaged in SEO to make sure it landed near the top of search results.

There is no “house” in this analogy (which you might call a corporate/private network secured or otherwise). No private network was accessed. This stuff was on the street, in the free pamphlet section of the newspaper stand.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by zeroimpl on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:37PM (#24076847)
That’s a very weak argument. If I’m walking down the street at night and somebody comes up to me and says “GET /money”, I may respond with an HTTP 200, but that doesn’t mean the person didn’t just steal from me.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Thursday August 06, 2020 @09:01PM (#24076973)
You just gave them money. They didn't coerce you. It would be different if they flashed a weapon.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by zeroimpl on Thursday August 06, 2020 @09:26PM (#24077098)
It's a fictitious example. I didn't say there was no weapon, nor said it was definitely theft. The point is that submitting a GET request in a public setting does not mean no crime.

Coercion can be the difference between asking for money and theft. In the case of this intel data, it was clearly coerced from a server - it's not like it was linked on Google, they had to specially craft URLs to coerce the data out.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by ddingus on Friday August 07, 2020 @12:57AM (#24078496)
For there to be theft a property owner has to lose their property and or use of said property.

There is zero theft in this discussion.

One could argue there was infringement, and that argument is very difficult to make without breaking the Internet for everyone just because someone with deep pockets failed.

Coercion involves, at the core, an act of agency performed to the intent of someone else, who is not the agent, actor.

Bad practice does not support coercion at all.

I wonder whether that word even applies to entities lacking agency.

Servers are automatons. They do not make value judgements and or creative acts of agency of any kind.

We need these things as a basis for coersion.

There are lots of things not indexed by Google and it is dangerous to imply people are somehow wrong when data is accessed sans a Google index.

Security by obscurity does not make sense. This mess is part of why.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Thursday August 06, 2020 @09:39PM (#24077165)
Again, I don't believe it's accurate or honest to call this coercion. These files were obtained from a content delivery network by visiting a url in a browser. Nothing deceptive, cunning, crafty, or coercive about it. Let me ask you, what files am I allowed to access on a public network? Must I ask owners permission before visiting their websites? Must I be able to find it with a search engine? What constitutes a file which anyone is allowed to view?
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by zeroimpl on Thursday August 06, 2020 @09:58PM (#24077269)
Were the files listed when going to http://server.com? No, the user had to:

1. Find the server via nmap

2. Guess at some URLs until the server finally responded with some hidden data.

While neither of those would require being an expert in the field, this is well beyond the realm of browsing public websites.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Friday August 07, 2020 @03:57AM (#24079468)
This is incorrect. Actually, yes, the files were in fact browseable and Akamai servers typically front with DNS names that presumably resolve to their any-cast addresses where they use SNI to select content bucket, so there would have been a "friendly" name involved. Going to https://server.com/folder displayed a list of folders and files all hyper-linked and connected as is common on the internet. The fact that the server was initially discovered by way of a crawler, a scan, is irrelevant (this is actually how search engines discover content, btw). The fact that a browser could browse these files suggests that it is not "well beyond the realm of browsing public websites".
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by japgolly on Thursday August 06, 2020 @10:34PM (#24077441)
Exploration of public areas isn't illegal. There's no law mandating that viewing a website though the browser is legal, and any other means not. Techies legitimately access websites in all kinds of programmatic ways. Intel made their data publicly available. That it wasn't accidental doesn't change that.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dleslie on Thursday August 06, 2020 @11:05PM (#24077601)
Opening unlocked doors, entering and removing property is generally considered to be theft.

The key here is that these services were not advertising their presence.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by ddingus on Friday August 07, 2020 @01:01AM (#24078518)
Theft requires property owners to be denied their property or the use of it.

That did not happen here. Theft is not part of the discussion.

Infringement could be, and is at least the right language for the discussion.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by ddingus on Friday August 07, 2020 @01:00AM (#24078512)
Where are the locks?

There are often ways to beaches and other spaces unadvertised, but otherwise OK to use.

Sure looks to me like a potential landmine for people. Bad practice with big pockets should still just be bad practice with the same consequences for all who don't bother with better practices.

There was no lock on this at all.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by ummonk on Thursday August 06, 2020 @10:36PM (#24077450)
If someone leaves their door unlocked and open it doesn't mean I have a right to walk in and take what I want.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by ddingus on Friday August 07, 2020 @12:47AM (#24078428)
This is more like leaving it on the street, mixed in with a lot of other free stuff.

Physical analogies break down.

Truth is, this info was out there for anyone to copy, and who ever did that is definitely guilty of something and or liable.

It will be tough to make passers by into criminals here. They aren't.

Keeping secrets is hard. Should be.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by ddingus on Friday August 07, 2020 @10:49AM (#24082451)
I wrote this poorly. Meant whomever left this data in the clear is guilty of something and or liable.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by ummonk on Friday August 07, 2020 @09:35PM (#24088216)
It would be like keeping a dropped wallet - the person who keeps it is guilty, not the person who accidentally dropped it.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Saturday August 08, 2020 @02:24AM (#24089531)
No it wouldn't. It would be like taking a picture of a dropped wallet on the street.

Regardless, under what moral framework are we operating such that obvious guilt is prescribed to anyone who might pick up a wallet in the street, anyway? Of what crime are they guilty?

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by zerotolerance on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:32PM (#24076517)
Verizon and US courts would disagree with you.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:34PM (#24076526)
Links? I'm curious about existing case law.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by meowface on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:43PM (#24076580)
Here's one example: https://www.wired.com/2013/03/att-hacker-gets-3-years/

>The two essentially wrote a program to send GET requests to [publicly available pages on] the web site.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:49PM (#24076605)
Ruling was appealed and deemed incorrect: https://www.wired.com/2014/04/att-hacker-conviction-vacated/
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dleslie on Thursday August 06, 2020 @10:51PM (#24077510)
Not quite, it was vacated on the grounds of improper venue. It wasn't reversed or similar; to be vacated is to be voided, as though the case never occurred.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by dcow on Friday August 07, 2020 @03:28AM (#24079294)
I mean yes. I wish it was actually reversed on grounds that the ruling didn't stand. But that was the intention of the appeal. Dismissing it on improper venue is simply tactical. This is the legal system's way of saying, "there was enough contention in this case that we don't feel comfortable with the whole thing in the first place so we'll throw it out on a technicality and avoid inventing any case law here".
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by meowface on Friday August 07, 2020 @06:29PM (#24087079)
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not 100% sure if thats's the best interpretation. It being thrown out on a technicality doesn't necessarily imply anything about their feelings regarding the facts of the case.

Basically, I would not be surprised that if the exact same case happened today, the defendants would still get jail time.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by rvnx on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:25PM (#24076789)
Not sure about US but in France it's considered a quite serious crime
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by hedora on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:52PM (#24075863)
Stealing it is probably illegal, and there’s a copyright and export regulations argument to be made around copying it.

However, my understanding of the law is that, once secrets are made public, further distributing the secrets is not illegal.

So, republishing it is probably not more illegal than running a torrent of a Hollywood movie and an Ubuntu ISO (which can run afoul of export regulations).

Note: I’m not a lawyer, and if what I said was true in practice, Julian Assange / Wikileaks would have nothing to fear from the law.

Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by Nemo_bis on Friday August 07, 2020 @12:03PM (#24083383)
Also, there are currently hundreds of seeders (according to a popular torrent indexers) and there were probably thousands of snatches. Good luck prosecuting that many people.
Re:20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tool... by elmo2you on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:18PM (#24076023)
In addition to what other people already mentioned (how it is illegal), it may depend on jurisdiction. Also whether the country of origin of the source has an extradition treaty with the USA, or if the USA can otherwise (e.g. extrajudicial kidnappings) get the culprit to stand trial in the USA.

EDIT: While it maybe a relatively clear cut case according to US law, other countries (may) have different laws. There are also all kind of potential diplomatic and political obstacles, when this was done by somebody outside of the USA. For instance, good luck if this was a Russian or Chinese citizen.