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Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by shireboy on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @07:43AM (#24059713)
I’ve often said the same thing. South Pole and underwater cities would be easier than mars or even moon colony. As much as I want the later to happen- I think 1 million people on Mars or Moon will require something that makes them more appealing than even the worst Earth locations. That has to be something pretty drastic. Elon says motivation will be “it’d be cool”. I don’t think that is enough motivation. Still, I’d rather have the capability developed than not, and hopefully those motivations present themselves without being too dire (like a comet heading our way)
Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:40AM (#24062030)
Africa was in Europe's back yard yet when they got the opportunity they colonized the Americas. Colonizing a formerly unexplored place where nobody has yet laid claim has a lot of appeal (and this time we (probably) don't have to kill/displace the natives to do it).
Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by pfdietz on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @03:04PM (#24064317)
Europeans were kept out of Africa by disease.
Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by mschuster91 on Thursday August 06, 2020 @02:57AM (#24068732)
I'd rather say the Europeans were kept out of Africa because of nowhere near European levels of valuable resources (think farmland, wood) other than slaves for centuries. Diamonds and uranium are a recent thing.
Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by menybuvico on Thursday August 06, 2020 @03:16AM (#24068794)
I always heard it was a logistic issue more than anything else? Getting from Europe to the Americas and then back in a sailing vessel is easier than getting to Africa's East coast and back.
Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by pfdietz on Friday August 07, 2020 @08:24AM (#24081087)
Which explains why Africa was colonized so much more successfully than (checks notes) ... Australia?
Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by hugs on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @09:44AM (#24060660)
A science outpost, specifically as a place to put telescopes, seems the most compelling. The rest of the population would then grow along side the science outpost to service it (food, transportation, etc.) A looong time until a million people, though.
Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by buzzwordninja on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:17AM (#24061739)
Why would you put a telescope in a gravity well though?

Would it not be easier to build large structures in orbit or at one of the Lagrange points?

Re:SpaceX test flight of Starship SN-5 [video] by ba2plus on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @03:59PM (#24064911)
There's been some really interesting ideas for a new generation of telescopes that Starship's cargo capacity could enable. Telescopes on the far side of the moon are the classic example. They'd be shielded from the sun for 14 days out of 28, permanently shielded from Earth, and still have all the advantages of being in a vacuum. Gravitational-wave telescopes on the geologically-stable lunar surface are another interesting idea.

But I think my favourite idea is infrared scopes in the polar craters, some of the coldest places in the solar system. You don't need a complicated JWST-style extendable sun shield or limited helium supply. You are limited in terms of direction, but that's not a bad tradeoff.