Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by abraae on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @05:23AM
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The video chat market though would be approximately a gazillion times larger than the professional video and film industry wouldn't it?
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by onion2k on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @05:32AM
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I have no idea. There's a gazillion times more people doing video calls than make professional videos, but not all of them would be willing to pay for the software and those who are probably wouldn't pay very much. It's the age old question of whether or not it's better to sell something cheaply at high volumes or more expensively at lower volumes.
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by addandsubtract on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @06:32AM
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>the age old question of whether or not it's better to sell something cheaply at high volumes or more expensively at lower volumes.
Factor in the support you need to accommodate your customers and you have your answer :P
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by onion2k on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:30AM
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You can just ignore support entirely and then it costs nothing. It's what Google does.
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by ooobit2 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @07:10PM
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Better yet, create a "Help Center," that has 1,900 articles that all have a link that says, "Need more help?" and then that link goes to another of the 1,900 articles that also has a link that says, "Need more help?" And that link goes to another article, which has a popup that reads: Call 1-800-ABCDEFG. Then they call that number and get an automated system that says, "Thank you for calling. How can I help you today? You can say things like, 'I need help,' and 'I need different help.'" And then they have to speak all the menu choices. And the 0 button doesn't take them to a representative, only back to the first prompt.
This is too much fun to brainstorm.
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by epanchin on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @05:55AM
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Good webcams are hard to find at the moment because people are very willing to spend money on their video calls.
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by buzzerbetrayed on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:55PM
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> people are very willing to spend money on their video calls.
MORE people are willing to spend money on webcams than in the recent past. That is why there is a supply issue. This doesn’t necessarily mean a huge number of people are willing to spend money in it in general. Doubling a relatively small number doesn’t automatically make it a big number.
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by nl on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @07:32AM
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Pretty hard to compete with the free implementations in most video chat tools...
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by cvhashim on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:38AM
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What about marketing to live streamers and youtubers
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by mlthoughts2018 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:17PM
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Surveillance video processing and intelligence services are probably by far the largest use cases for video background removal and similar techniques. Far smaller in terms of number of customers, but far far larger in terms of revenue specifically for this capability.
Millions of people paying peanuts (attributable to this feature) is way less than a few hundred or thousand research / defense labs, contractors, etc., paying tens of thousands up to even millions on licensed software for this type of thing.
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by rasz on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:47PM
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In both teleconferencing and surveillance you are dealing with static background, no need for fancy ML algorithms.
Re:Show HN: Unscreen – Automatically remove video background...
by mlthoughts2018 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @03:57PM
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No, not true. Surveillance cameras mounted on police cars, helicopters, etc. Even in stationary cameras, scene understanding is a hard problem. Suppose someone wheels a dolly of boxes into a warehouse and leaves them. Are they now part of the background? Are they suspicious boxes? The coarse level state transition of objects in the scene is really hard to solve even with heavy ML.
That's the most obvious case people see right now because we're doing more video calls in lockdown and people see it as a funny gimmick to play with on Google Meet, but background removal has been around for years in the professional video and film industry. Video chat is absolutely not the main application of the technology.