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Re:In a warming world, New England’s trees are storing more ... by WalterBright on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @10:19PM (#24056651)
That's why we sequester the wood by building houses, etc., with it.
Re:In a warming world, New England’s trees are storing more ... by wahern on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @11:36PM (#24057042)
The more wood you use, the more inefficient your building methodology given the amount of energy needed for transport, construction, etc, as well as air conditioning, etc. The less wood you use, the less space you create for regrowth. (Indeed, the space taken for building a house is often space where trees could grow, so there's a very simple space trade-off at play.) And none of this factors in the huge amount of wood from demolition that we scrap every year, requiring energy to tear down, and much of which will decompose even in landfills.

Plus, a place like the United States has 0 population growth absent immigration. Are we supposed to start tearing down houses just to build new ones? That's the kind of math that begat corn ethanol.

The dynamics here are just horrible. Can we slow emissions growth this way? Sure. Can we stop growth this way? Eh... okay, maybe, since we're pretending. Can we reverse global warming, removing carbon from the atmosphere? Not a chance. The only way to turn the dynamic from zero sum to positive sum is with other, major technological advances, at which point playing games with trees and home construction would very likely be the least meaningful use of such new technology.

EDIT: Here's a study that looks at various different models for wood processing and disposal. TL;DR: See figures #2 and #3. 100 years post harvest there's at best 5% net carbon sequestration, while most models show 0% net carbon sequestered. https://www.sierraforestlegacy.org/Resources/Conservation/Fi...

Re:In a warming world, New England’s trees are storing more ... by WalterBright on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @04:41AM (#24058563)
You're arguing it must be a 100% solution or nothing. I doubt there are any 100% solutions. But we only need 10 10% solutions, so I wouldn't be in any hurry to reject even a 1% solution.

Oh, and also, there's always going to be a need for new construction even with 0 population growth. Better to use wood than concrete, as concrete is a large source of carbon emissions.

Re:In a warming world, New England’s trees are storing more ... by wahern on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @03:25PM (#24064516)
Concrete reabsorbs carbon over time, so the net carbon footprint dynamic is not unlike that of wood. See https://www.architectmagazine.com/technology/concrete-become... Concrete's long-term net carbon footprint is simply the fossil fuel energy input minus whatever unoxidized material we dredge up. While theoretically we could manually plant trees and manually bury them in a way to minimize decomposition, we could likewise dig holes to expose and crush unoxidized rock. The former might be marginally more efficient energy-wise than the latter, but the energy consumption dynamics of both fundamentally suck.

I agree, many small solutions can help. More efficient use of existing resources is a large reason why American per capita energy consumption has remained steady for the past decade. (At least if we ignore our outsourced carbon emissions.) But many, small efficiencies is a privilege only rich countries with strong institutions are likely to achieve. Certainly historically that has been the case. Yet such countries have enormous carbon footprints. Similarly, reforestation can be helpful in a strict sense, but our primary problem is deforestation in developing countries, and even with global warming increasing the growth of temperate and boreal forests, it's rather difficult to make up the loss of tropical forests.

More importantly, none of these measures can help nearly as much as nuclear energy or renewables like wind and solar, which are both necessary and at least theoretically sufficient on their own. I think we just need to be clear about the efficacy of various measures. By all means, plant more trees. We can certainly walk & chew gum at the same time. But when people think these activities are even remotely similarly efficacious, and when the lesser one is easier to accomplish policy-wise than the other (e.g. in a country where we've effectively already accomplished an efficient market for wood products), I worry about misdirected attention.

More specifically, we need to discard this widespread notion that trees (naturally, or even in an industrial life cycle) are perpetual carbon sinks. That's really what I was getting at by pointing out the Carboniferous period--that the fundamental dynamic of carbon sequestration by trees does not and cannot work as commonly believed. The article for this thread is interesting (though only experimentally showing what was already well predicted), but it's misguided to believe it's of any consequence in the fight against global warming. The oceans are a different matter, though I don't know how greater is the long-term sequestration potential--I don't think we understand the carbon cycle as well as we do on land; for example, we know less about the microbiota, especially on the ocean floor.