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Re:The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free by googthrowaway42 on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:45AM (#24038347)
If you're talking about people like Chris Wallace, then I agree with your point. People like him are very much an example of The Cathedral but on the conservative side. Even stuff like The Five is pretty middle brow and establishmentarian but they aren't the vanguards of mainstream conservatism like Maddow and Joy Reid and others are for mainstream liberalism.

Steve Bannon and his movement are more representative of mainstream conservatism. Even someone Tucker Carlson used to be very much like Chris Wallace. The reason why his program is so popular now is because he's shifted radically away from his establishmentarian position towards Steve Bannon's position.

Personally I don't watch Fox News because of how low to middle brow and Cathedral-like it is.

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Re:The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free by busterarm on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:50AM (#24038411)
If Maddow is the vanguard of mainstream liberalism, why are her ratings so terrible?
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Re:The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free by stjohnswarts on Monday August 03, 2020 @11:11AM (#24038685)
You can only get a plurality in most cases with mainstream media, because like it or not it does tend to be progressive/liberal in most outlets (in the American sense, not European).
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Re:The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free by busterarm on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:40PM (#24040845)
That doesn't explain why FOX is twice as watched as MSNBC.
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Re:The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday August 03, 2020 @02:34PM (#24041562)
NPR's drivetime radio shows have bigger audiences than Fox, for almost all of its shows (and sometimes, for all of its shows).

Cable TV is still a niche.

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Re:The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free by googthrowaway42 on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:59AM (#24038502)
Probably because the Cathedral of mainstream liberalism has been mortally wounded over the past decade. That has rapidly accelerated as of late and you're seeing the last dying breaths with the rise of populism on the left and right. Maddow used to have much higher ratings. AOC for example is not part of mainstream liberalism. She is at the vanguard of mainstream popular leftism.
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