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Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by wallflower on Tuesday July 08, 2008 @04:47PM (#240348)
In NYC, they have laws that a renter must earn an annual income that is 52x the monthly rent to qualify to rent the apartment (yes, subletting from someone is one way around it).

In NYC, a 1BR apartment that you live in by yourself is a status symbol. The average monthly rent is north of $2,500. Spending $2k+ on rent just to live in the city, maybe that's more about ego than it is about money..

Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by jawngee on Tuesday July 08, 2008 @05:35PM (#240398)
There's no such law, it's a general guideline that it be between 42-52 times the rent. Which makes a ton of sense to me.

While rent is "extreme" for people who don't live here, you should also consider that we generally don't have the same expenses as people in the burbs or elsewhere. We don't own cars, we don't buy gas, etc. That right there knocks $500-750 off your living expenses. Furthermore, you need to consider rent in NYC as a culture tax because no where else in the world will you find anything remotely similar in terms of fashion, design, art, food, etc. You might think you're approximating it with the Olive Garden in suburbia, but you aren't even close.

PS. I pay $2550 for a 3 bedroom with a backyard in the second nicest neighborhood in Brooklyn.

Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by wallflower on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @10:35AM (#241165)
Thanks. Good to hear 52x is not a law. But it is a very good rule of thumb for rent affordability. I think NYC is also much more diverse than other cosmopolitan cities because of their successful rent stabilization policies.

Re: Olive Garden - I escaped the suburbs to live in a major city but it doesn't compare to NYC of course. Where else will you have 5k restaurants and night-life at 3am (Paris, maybe..)

I go up to NYC quite often because I have family there. I was in Brooklyn recently. Nice to hear that there is a startup scene there. Saw lots of new loft construction going up everywhere near Grand. Sadly the Brooklyn Brewery was closed. BTW - Highly recommend Lily Thai (restaurant)

"The Housing Virgins of NYC" http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/garden/24new.html?_r=1&...

Rent-stabilization on the UWS [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell-Lama].

Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by aditya on Tuesday July 08, 2008 @05:07PM (#240379)
Maybe that's the reason a lot of startup action is happening in Brooklyn, where all the cool designer types and hackers are moving to.

The rent is lower and the people are just nicer, in DUMBO where our startup is based there's atleast 5 other startups in a 10 block radius. Which, while not SoMa is still pretty good :)

Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by tstegart on Tuesday July 08, 2008 @09:20PM (#240617)
Brooklyn has some rocking art stuff going on and some sweet industrial designers. Some of the stuff on Etsy from people there is just crazy good.
Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by itsandrew on Tuesday July 08, 2008 @08:26PM (#240569)
I live in Brooklyn (Williamsburg) and I know there is a lot of start-up activity around me as well. It's easy to build a web app, but building a beautiful web app requires some incredibly artistic and design-conscious people which I think NYC (and especially Brooklyn) are chock full of.
Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by tstegart on Tuesday July 08, 2008 @09:17PM (#240612)
hmm.. like painters I suppose...
Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by itsandrew on Tuesday July 08, 2008 @10:54PM (#240704)
Or people that know Adobe...
Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by caveman82 on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @12:23AM (#240784)
So you are assuming most ppl who live in NYC live in an apartment with an elevator and a security guard, on the upper east side/midtown/chelsea. Unless you are running in finance and high-society circles, no one gives a crap that you live in an apartment that costs over $2500/month.

If one is resourceful(and most starving artists/actors/entrepreneurs are) you can find apartment shares in plenty of neighborhoods for under $800/month. It's not luxurious but living in those circumstances is no less worthwhile.

Re:Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City by tofocsend on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @11:51AM (#241286)
>maybe that's more about ego than it is about money

I would say it's about being willing to pay a premium to live in a dense, vibrant city with all that goes along with it.