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'Freedom' is not a framework for morality? I will judge you as a bad person for not saving the child in the pond while able to do so.

But would you ‘punish’ them for not saving the child?

Yes. "Non-assistance à personne en danger" is a crime in France punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Personally I'm absolutely fine with people being punished for not helping save someones life.

However this must only be if doing so does not pose any risk to the helper. See [0] for a list of countries with similar laws.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue#Regulations_by_...

I would save the child in the pond because I want to. I don't think it's a moral imperative.

Libertarianism seems to follow pretty directly from individualism, which most people reject. (I actually support it.)

Individualism is directly comparable to utilitarianism.

The rational people in our society should be debating individualism vs. collectivism vs. utilitarianism (possibly vs. others).

That is in lieu of discussing the higher-level political instantiations of these things (e.g. libertarianism vs. socialism, etc.).

What political system you want depends (at least) on what moral system you favor.

> Individualism is directly comparable to utilitarianism.

I am not so sure about this...

Your being unsure doesn't make me feel unsure.

Libertarianism and democracy are not compatible concepts.

How so?