Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by jdxcode on Sunday August 02, 2020 @10:03PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency_tumbler
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Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by Lorin on Sunday August 02, 2020 @10:46PM
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Isn't 'tumbling' literally a money laundering operation?
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by jdxcode on Sunday August 02, 2020 @10:54PM
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yes, and it proves GP's point about crypto enabling crime. It's trivial to implement.
It's just a ledger kept outside so there is no link between the money going in and the money coming out.
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by shiado on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:28AM
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Money laundering involves the intentional hiding of the origins of funds obtained through criminal activity. Attributing the source of funds as being criminally obtained is difficult if tumbling is done effectively. If tumbling was reason enough to be suspected of money laundering, so would splitting a $100 at a gas station.
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by ric2b on Monday August 03, 2020 @06:21AM
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Not necessarily, if the source of the money is legal and you're tumbling it just for privacy reasons, it's not money laundering.
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by cheez on Sunday August 02, 2020 @10:29PM
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What happens when crypto tumblers run away with the money
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by dlubarov on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:11AM
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There are projects like Miximus, which is an Eth tumbler with no operator. Participants deposit funds into a smart contract, then when they want to withdraw later, they use zero-knowledge proofs to show that they know one of the private keys without revealing which one.
There's also Zcash, which applies similar logic to all shielded transactions.
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by cheez on Monday August 03, 2020 @09:59AM
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Oh that's nice.
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by walrus01 on Sunday August 02, 2020 @11:23PM
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Presumably the people who use tumblers never transfer such a huge amount of BTC into any one single tumbler, at a time, that would cause the tumbler operator to seriously contemplate pulling an exit scam.
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by Polylactic_acid on Monday August 03, 2020 @02:06AM
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Tumble it in small amounts at a time. Maybe the tumbler runs away with a few hundred thousand but you are still left with millions.
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by ric2b on Monday August 03, 2020 @06:23AM
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You'll have potentially thousands of criminals trying to get their money back? I don't like those odds but if someone wants to try that go ahead.
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by jdxcode on Sunday August 02, 2020 @11:05PM
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it seems logical to me a sophisticated syndicate would run their own tumbler. I'd assume there is some kind of OSS wordpress for mixing out there. And I don't think it'd be that hard to get other people to use it to get liquidity (just offer it as a free service).
Re:US travel firm $4.5M ransom negotiation open chat
by marmshallow on Sunday August 02, 2020 @10:43PM
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Well, of course another will come along!