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Re:Telegram files EU antitrust complaint against Apple’s App... by Andrew_nenakhov on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:15PM (#24031830)
if you don't install sideloaded apps, it won't impact your security in the slightest.

Or, maybe, you don't like the idea that you'll have to sideload the app you need because it isn't available in the AppStore? Hmm. Well, you'll feel a biiiiit like other people who don't have a choice under Apple's regime, with only difference that they can't run the app at all, and you can run it in a way that you don't like.

Re:Telegram files EU antitrust complaint against Apple’s App... by dijit on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:16PM (#24031842)
Context of this thread is an alternative application store;

Sideloading is still possible and is free, but you have to know what you're doing. It's a tremendous barrier to entry (your keys even expire every few days so you have to keep re-sideloading) thus people don't bother with it.

Re:Telegram files EU antitrust complaint against Apple’s App... by Andrew_nenakhov on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:27PM (#24031914)
Sideloading is you press a link, download app, install it (granting permissions), run it. Anything else is not sideloading.

Alternative appstore is basically same as sideloading, cause the latter is necessary for the former to function.

Btw important overlooked issue is not only sideloading per se, but unrestricted access to push notifications / subscribing to alternative push notification services. With restrictions on running in background iOS apps are next to useless without notifications - you won't get VoIP, email, chat apps working without capability to wake up on push.

Re:Telegram files EU antitrust complaint against Apple’s App... by dijit on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:31PM (#24031950)
I think we fundamentally disagree here then. :)

I'm very happy in my locked platform, I'm happy that my family are on a locked platform.

If they (or I) want to be on a more open platform then that exists, just not for apple devcies; but for now I trust random developers less than I trust Apple.

If it becomes normalised to bypass the app store, then it's going to be very difficult to control the quality of software generally; and on a macro-scale will entice even large developers (like banks) to go the 'alternative app store' route, which will force everyone to be using applications which are not vetted in a reasonable way.

Re:Telegram files EU antitrust complaint against Apple’s App... by Andrew_nenakhov on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:51PM (#24032082)
In other words, as I said in the beginning of the thread, you like not having a choice, and you do not want me to have a choice, too.

But why are you wording this as if AppStore will somehow vanish? I don't think it will be going anywhere even if some apps will start working without Apple's permission. Chances are, it'll get better if it has some real competition.

Re:Telegram files EU antitrust complaint against Apple’s App... by dijit on Sunday August 02, 2020 @06:36PM (#24032376)
Well, very very technically; you kinda made a choice when you bought an Apple product.

It's like buying an android phone then being sour that photoshop doesn't work, I think.

As for why I'm wording it as if the AppStore will dissapear, it's because of all the reasons I laid out.

Right now it's a gate or a fence; the great filter which all must pass through; but if there exists a cheaper/easier alternative that gives the same results, why not use that? It will become incredibly normal to run the alternative app store- to the point where a lot of software will be released only to run there (which is a stated aim) and if everyone has the alternative store, why bother with Apples?

Re:Telegram files EU antitrust complaint against Apple’s App... by mstolpm on Sunday August 02, 2020 @07:04PM (#24032560)
Honestly, I don't see how an alternative App Store would change things for the better for most users: I'd assume that big players that don't like paying 30% to Apple would leave for other options and put a lot of marketing money to force users to switch. Remember: The thread started with a complaint filled by Telegram. So, someone who wants to use Telegram would need to use the alternate store. If there isstill an AppStore version, I'd assume it to be a "light" version heavily promoting the "PLUS" version from the financially more interesting altstore. Who would be next? Niantic? They make tons of money with IAP that are taxed by Apple. Facebook? They are known for undermining security and privacy as much as possible. How long until my mother needs to enable one or another altstore just to continue to use apps she uses right now?

Yes, for a developer or advanced user, walled gardens look bad. But we as a community need to accept that we are a small minority of users of Apple devices. I personally recommend iPhones and iPads to entry level users in my family because I know they can't mess up the device completely without knowing ... so, to be honest, because of the walled garden and the limited choices. And I accept that if I want more freedom, I have to get something else for me.

Therefore, the question isn't why someone doesn't want to give you the choice and freedom, but why you (and sometimes I, and a lot of people in our community) want to force a change to the majority of iPhone users that are perfectly happy with the current status quo. A status quo that was in place 5 to 10 years ago and was definitely in place when they bought their devices.

Re:Telegram files EU antitrust complaint against Apple’s App... by ric2b on Sunday August 02, 2020 @07:17PM (#24032637)
That hasn't happened on Android, why do you think iOS will be different?