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Re:Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize m... by betterunix2 on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:41PM (#24023286)
On the other hand, companies with long histories of sustained and rising dividend payments also tend to outperform the S&P500 in terms of total return (dividends + capital gains), and do so with lower volatility. Reasons include having a business that is profitable and stable enough to sustain such payouts and a management culture that appropriately balances shareholder interest (by paying dividend) against the long-term viability of the business (and can therefore continue its dividend payments over multiple decades).
Re:Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize m... by lmnice on Saturday August 01, 2020 @04:50PM (#24023800)
Just a nitpick:

> a management culture that appropriately balances shareholder interest (by paying dividend)

In theory a company should invest in whatever has the most favorable risk-return profile. If it pays dividends, that means dividends are judged by management to be the best risk-return profile among all other alternatives. A company can pay zero dividends and still protect shareholders interests.

Re:Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize m... by Retric on Saturday August 01, 2020 @06:02PM (#24024264)
That’s not quite accurate. A company is ultimately controlled by it’s owners who may prefer dividends. One possible example is maintaining the current ownership structure while providing an income. Think someone owning 51% and wishing to maintain control.
Re:Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize m... by lmnice on Sunday August 02, 2020 @01:16PM (#24029961)
> A company is ultimately controlled by it’s owners who may prefer dividends.

If the reason they "prefer" dividends is not because they evaluated the alternatives and decided that the risk-return profile was favorable (for the company, not for themselves in particular)), then they are acting against the interests of the minority shareholders. That may carry legal consequences or not, depending on your jurisdiction. In my country (Brazil), there are laws protecting the interests of minority shareholders. If you have 51% of a company that is listed on the stock exchange, you have significant but not unlimited power.

Also, maybe the company sees it as a risk that, in reducing the dividend, it may suffer in the short term due to the outflux of shareholders who see it as a dividend play. In that case, the risk-return profile of paying zero dividends is not favorable.

Re:Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize m... by Retric on Sunday August 02, 2020 @06:48PM (#24032467)
In practice protection for majority shareholders does not extend to a preference of dividends over investments in any jurisdiction. All investments carry risks, dividends don’t so the only legal justification required is to select a low risk threshold. Such protections are designed to avoid selling off assets at below market rates to majority shareholders and other such clearly suboptimal choices.
Re:Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize m... by WA on Sunday August 02, 2020 @02:25AM (#24026770)
Counter example: Apple. Low dividend, but all other check boxes apply.
Re:Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize m... by betterunix2 on Sunday August 02, 2020 @08:44AM (#24028354)
Sure, but let me make two points:

1. I did not say anything about how high the dividend is, only that it has been sustained and has not decreased for a long period of time (multiple decades). Some companies on the list currently pay relatively low dividends as well.

2. It is a heuristic, so it will definitely miss a few great companies and some companies on the list will go on to do poorly (not that any method of stock picking will be any different).

Re:Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize m... by gruez on Saturday August 01, 2020 @04:39PM (#24023722)
>On the other hand, companies with long histories of sustained and rising dividend payments also tend to outperform the S&P500 in terms of total return (dividends + capital gains), and do so with lower volatility.

Source?