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Re:Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's bei... by Karunamon on Saturday August 01, 2020 @10:53AM (#24020870)
I think that people wind up worried about the wrong thing on these systems. The worst case scenario, where some all-knowing system negatively impacts you because it's rating your behavior on some opaque scale, isn't the one we should be worried about.

That by itself is scary enough, but the much more likely case is the one where this system is rating you based on wrong information, and given Finagle's law..

Especially concerning when the justice system starts using this info; you really, really don't want to be the false positive.

Re:Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's bei... by justanotherc on Saturday August 01, 2020 @11:31AM (#24021202)
The justice system has built into it the requirement to justify allegations against you though. By design everything in the justice system is transparent or its not admissible. So an opaque "score" of any sort wouldn't ever be acceptable evidence.
Re:Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's bei... by sroussey on Saturday August 01, 2020 @11:36AM (#24021261)
You are thinking in about evidence in court. Police have other data that can flag you for greater scrutiny. Then your chances of even being in court go up.
Re:Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's bei... by justanotherc on Friday August 07, 2020 @05:44AM (#24080153)
But they have to establish reasonable suspicion, wuch they also have to justify in court in order to investigate you further.

They can't just say "he had a bad score, so I pulled him over and found weed". If they did that, the stop would be unjustified and the whole case would be thrown out.

Re:Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's bei... by inetknght on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:16PM (#24023118)
> By design everything in the justice system is transparent or its not admissible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

Re:Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's bei... by justanotherc on Friday August 07, 2020 @05:47AM (#24080171)
Evidence constructed in parallel is not admissible, therefore my point stands. So what's your point?
Re:Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's bei... by patmorgan23 on Saturday August 01, 2020 @01:11PM (#24022102)
Predictive policing