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Re:Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action by 949throaway2020 on Saturday August 01, 2020 @01:05AM (#24017809)
>What "real chaos" has "China" (which is, by the way, nowhere homogenous) seen that we have not seen?

This is ill-informed and easily proven wrong.

I'm no China apologist, but the Chinese have suffered the worst human disasters in history.

Let's go down the list of top 10 anthropogenic disasters by geometric mean death toll and count the causalities in China [1]:

1. 2nd World War estimated 70 million dead, 17.5 million dead in China [2]

2. Three Kingdom War 38 million dead, all Chinese

3. Mongol Conquests 35 million dead and transition from Song to Yuan. Chinese population registers drop from 140 million to 70 million. [3]

4. European Colonization of the Americas 35 million dead, no Chinese dead

5. Taiping Rebellion 35 million dead, all Chinese

6 Red Eyebrows Rebellion 30 million dead, all Chinese

7. Muslim conquest of India 41 million dead, no Chinese

8. Ming Conquest of Yuan 30 million dead, all Chinese

9. Qing conquest of Ming 25 million dead, all Chinese

10. Second Sino-Japanese War 22 million dead, mostly Chinese

and as a bonus:

11. An Lushan Rebellion 21 million dead, all Chinese

Let's count the bodies.

Total dead in 11 conflicts: about 380 million dead

Chinese dead: about 200-220 million dead.

The Chinese are in a whole other ball park in terms of historical suffering. Nothing in American history compares to even a civil war most Americans have never heard of, like the An Lushan rebellion. For perspective, "only" 700,000 American soldiers died in the US Civil War and there were no accounts of civilian casualties of similar magnitude.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China

Re:Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action by winstonmanor89 on Saturday August 01, 2020 @04:39AM (#24018813)
Uhh what about European or the Middle east or any other part of the world
Re:Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action by Neekerer on Saturday August 01, 2020 @06:10AM (#24019268)
What about them? GP is conveying the scale of just wars, this isn't including natural disasters that have ripped through China. What are some comparable things to happen in europe and the middle east?
Re:Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action by chub500 on Saturday August 01, 2020 @11:35AM (#24021238)
A few months ago I ran into this list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_floods

Absolutely mind boggling.

Re:Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action by 949throaway2020 on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:02PM (#24031712)
>Uhh what about European or the Middle east or any other part of the world That was a list of top 10 anthropogenic disasters for the whole world. Europe and the Middle East's disasters are listed.
Re:Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action by pupdogg on Saturday August 01, 2020 @06:48AM (#24019430)
They also undeaded (if that's a word) 650 million humans since 1960. That's 88.4 billion lbs of weight added to earth, yielding a slight gravitational shift. I see that as a net positive for them!