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Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by mc32 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:06PM (#24000537)
At least they are recoverable and recyclable, oil not so much.
Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by CogitoCogito on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:11PM (#24000596)
Are they? If you have a pile of 1,000,000 chips, can you really get any of the elements out at reasonable (by almost any metric) cost?
Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by formerly_proven on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:38PM (#24000902)
Commercial chips still use gold bond wires (except flip chips), but that's fairly little. Apart from that it's just copper or aluminium for the metal layers, a bunch of silicon and a bunch of silica dust bound with some epoxy resin. Most of this isn't worth anything to reuse.
Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by SpaceRaccoon on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:27PM (#24000776)
Why would it be more difficult than to extract from ore? You can smelt them, that will burn away the plastic, and then you can separate the metals.
Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by CogitoCogito on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:36PM (#24000873)
I'm honestly having a bit of trouble putting my misgiving into thoughts (which if anything demonstrates I haven't thought this all through), but if you throw together say 10 materials, how likely are you to be able to separate out those 10 materials again? Or will you only be able to separate a couple metals with certain convenient melting points?

I do see what you're saying though. Maybe the easy question is, what actually happens when electronics are recycled today? How much of the original material is retrieved? Maybe I'm just entirely wrong even given the state of the art today?

Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by rurp on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:53PM (#24001085)
I only know a bit about this but from what I understand this is similar to how most modern mining works. Many minerals are mined in very low concentrations, which means they then need to be extracted out of the host material. Part of that process often involves multiple steps where the ore is soaked in various chemical solutions, which separate certain materials. It can be a very complicated process involving a lot of toxic chemicals.
Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by dodobirdlord on Friday July 31, 2020 @01:07AM (#24005858)
The rare earth metals are kinda irritating to separate because they have very similar physical properties, but it obviously can be done. They frequently co-occur in ore deposits for exactly that reason.
Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by blacksmith_tb on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:34PM (#24000857)
Gold is recovered in significant quantities from e-waste[1]

1: https://www.thebalancesmb.com/electronic-devices-source-of-m...

Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by CogitoCogito on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:38PM (#24000903)
Once the gold has been recovered, are they still able to recover other metals? I don't mean this antagonistically, this is a serious question (in case you know).
Re:Google’s problems are bigger than just the antitrust case by blacksmith_tb on Thursday July 30, 2020 @03:22PM (#24001933)
Good question, but I don't know the answer - my sense is the bigger problem is the recycling tends to happen at low rates, and often involve nasty pollution/byproducts[1]

1: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/02/10bn-pre...