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Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0 by luckylion on Thursday July 30, 2020 @06:09AM (#23996396)
So for Germany, that'd mean it ought to be lower than our current social programs? They provide an okay living, and there's not a lot of incentive to work, which is why we have a lot of long-term unemployment.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0 by sokoloff on Thursday July 30, 2020 @06:16AM (#23996446)
What is the gross amount paid monthly in Germany? If spent entirely, what amount of that is VAT taxed back to the state?
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0 by luckylion on Thursday July 30, 2020 @08:40AM (#23997396)
~1000€/mo, regular VAT is 7% for essentials like groceries, 19% for anything else, with a few exceptions.

The average worker's income tax rate is ~40%, but they'll also have to pay for health insurance (included in welfare at a subsidized rate), pensions etc.

Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0 by sokoloff on Thursday July 30, 2020 @08:52AM (#23997503)
Thanks for the data. To me, that sounds like the end result is within a whisker of $1000/mo after deducting the VAT “rebate” to the German government when that 1000€/mo is consumed almost immediately on a mix of 7% and 19% items.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0 by luckylion on Thursday July 30, 2020 @09:38AM (#23997951)
Sure. The problem is there's little incentive to work. To achieve that, to make it uncomfortable to rely solely on UBI long-term, we'd have to make UBI lower than our current welfare programs. I don't see any proposals for that, much less any support.