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Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by redorb on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @06:12PM (#23992151)
This is a great definition of what I consider to be the 'poor tax'..

Not to mention if they ever get un-poor they don't have the knowledge to 'build wealth' until they start slowly learning it or from a mentor.

We would better off teaching 'home finances, interest and banking' classes instead of Algebra 3 or geometry 2 (for 99% of people)

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by CarbyAu on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @09:33PM (#23993409)
Agreed.

It is crazy that for a standard "Savings" account: - interest earned is less than inflation. - I pay tax on that interest earned. "Saving" money in a common savings bank account pisses away value.

Many people are not capable of more financial management capability.

The middle class is often locked into a mortgage - I am too! - and is barely one step up. But it is one step up.

Ultimately, poor people don't own things that make money. They are not "rent seekers". They don't own stocks or real estate or anything else where the simple act of ownership makes money.

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by dublinben on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @11:44PM (#23994395)
>interest earned is less than inflation. - I pay tax on that interest earned.

Interestingly, the current administration proposed to index capital gains taxes to inflation to address that very paradox. Unsurprisingly, their proposal would have just been a giveaway to the wealthy.[0]

[0] https://itep.org/why-trump-administrations-plan-to-index-cap...

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by tim333 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:28AM (#23996161)
We used to have capital gains indexed in the UK. I've never seen an inflation allowance for interest though. I guess it would be too expensive?
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by JAlexoid on Thursday July 30, 2020 @04:00PM (#24002277)
It's factually easier to say - if your earned interest is less than X(absolute value), then you don't even have to report it.

US tax system is MUCH more complicated, than UK's... and UK's system is fairly complex.

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by ip26 on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @10:30PM (#23993838)
I'm not a finance guy but I suspect it's axiomatic that you can't keep up with inflation without taking any risk. Like a law of economics.
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by schrodinger on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @11:11PM (#23994181)
Isn't a government bond basically equivalent to inflation? That would mean you have a risk-free way to get "inflation" returns, with the caveat that you can't access the money for a period of time. Although I guess you can argue that "tying up" the money is a form a risk, and almost certainly a luxury some poor people cannot afford.
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by econcon on Thursday July 30, 2020 @12:45AM (#23994769)
>Isn't a government bond basically equivalent to inflation? That would mean you have a risk-free way to get "inflation" returns, with the caveat that you can't access the money for a period of time

It's not risk free, there is nothing that stops government from creating inflation so they can pay off the debt for in inflated dollars.

Today, central bank alone doesn't have power to make create money out of thin air. Government guaranteeing loans from banks to corporate players and projects is creating inflation. It's good for politicians as they can pay off their expensive mistakes in cheap money.

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by schrodinger on Friday July 31, 2020 @12:32PM (#24010370)
Treasury bills are considered "risk-free", although pedantically of course nothing is actually free of risk.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/risk-freereturn.asp

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by jl2718 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @12:56AM (#23994816)
A bond has a NPV like any other instrument. The purchase cost of a TIPS can be any price, including above coupon. TIPS are especially sensitive to interest rate risk because higher interest rates drop both the underlying asset value, and the inflation index. So it’s basically just a double-leverage T-note.
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by CarbyAu on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @10:50PM (#23994012)
I will admit I have little financial management knowledge myself. I am inclined to agree with you, but what is the bank doing with the money you keep there?

Isn't the bank meant to be using your money in a "managed fund" like manner? IE leverage it to make profits.

Here in Australia the banks make quite decent profits, and yet a savings account can't break even, before tax?!?

I haven't done the sums but I am curious if it is better to own shares in the bank than put money in the bank.

I am also inclined to ensure my son does get financial knowledge. It is hard to play a game you know only limited rules of.

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by econcon on Thursday July 30, 2020 @12:43AM (#23994759)
Bank also makes money on transaction fees (both merchant and account holder side) which is something bank account owners don't make.
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by Anon1096 on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @10:49PM (#23994000)
Why should the interest rate on a savings account match inflation at all? I don't see the correlation. With FED rates so low, it isn't even evident that they should produce positive return, and I wouldn't be surprised to one day see negative return savings accounts.
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by CarbyAu on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @11:07PM (#23994153)
While I have a vague intuition from an economic point of view you are correct,(I am not a finance guy) I take issue with the name of the product.

Savings. Generally advertised as helping your money grow. It isn't advertised as a "Slow draining of value" account.

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by causehealth101 on Friday July 31, 2020 @10:12AM (#24008733)
It's a sad state of affairs. There are far more resources available these days to combat the information asymmetry that drives the "financial planning" industry, but it's not nearly enough to help the people who actually NEED it.

I began my career in private wealth management (minimum $5M investable assets).

I ditched that to try to help real people...joined a brokerage where I discovered sales targets still required $250K, at the very least, in investable assets (this excludes include home and any assets that cannot be held by the brokerage, so the net worth of these people was usually $500K+).

I finally gave up and attempted to run a business on a different fee model to educate lower/lower-middle class people on their finances. The Great Recession and my youthful idealism & naivete destroyed that.

Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by zouhair on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @06:44PM (#23992385)
That's the only way to have billionaires. They have to take the money where it is, mostly in poor people's pockets.
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by omilu on Thursday July 30, 2020 @11:45AM (#23999493)
Presumably they make things of value to get rich, which is why we enjoy the standard of living we all do.
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by rjbwork on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @07:48PM (#23992805)
Define "we". Many a rich man was made by picking a poor man's pocket.
Re:Why Do People Stay Poor? [pdf] by dlhavema on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @06:44PM (#23992391)
Very true