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Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by solarkraft on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @11:53AM (#23988110)
Oh, really? Which competitors to Apple are there on iOS?
Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by briandear on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @12:03PM (#23988279)
What competitors are there for Nintendo? Or PlayStation? Or XBox? Every one of those platforms tightly controls access to their platforms.
Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by maxsilver on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @01:03PM (#23989024)
> Every one of those platforms tightly controls access to their platforms.

They actually can't. Not legally, anyway.

I am not a lawyer, but Nintendo famously lost a lawsuit, when attempting to block third-party software distribution : https://openjurist.org/16/f3d/1032/nintendo-of-america-inc-v... Sega (back when Sega was a major console competitor) also lost a similar lawsuit, when attempting to block third-party software distribution : https://openjurist.org/977/f2d/1510/sega-enterprises-ltd-v-a...

If we still had anti-trust enforcement, this should set precedent against what Apple is doing here today. We already decided this issue in the 80s and 90s, making a specialized locked-down computer (i.e., a "game console") does not entitle you to own the entire software market for that device. And so long as you don't steal copyrighted materials to do so (see Nintendo v Atari), you are allowed to reverse engineer and sell your own software for these devices, without any royalties or licensing owed.

If you want iPhones to be treated like "gaming consoles" instead of computers, then it is already legal to jailbreak an iPhone, distribute your own apps (or entire app store) and sell to iPhone users, without ever paying Apple a single penny.

It's even legal by precedent to modify other people's software when selling your own third-party software (see Game Genie / GameShark lawsuit, it's legal to sell a program that modifies someone elses copywritten software, so long as you don't include or redistribute the original copywritten code).

Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by Spivak on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @02:53PM (#23990316)
Sure, but they are allowed to implement any technical measures they want to block third-party software distribution. If you can hack it to make it work Apple can't sue you but they can definitely make it harder and don't have to help or support you.
Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by ryanlol on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @11:56AM (#23988165)
Which competitors to $car_manufacturer engines are there for $car_manufacturer cars?

This is a stupid question. Whether or not there is competition on iOS doesn’t matter as long as there exists viable competition on any viable platform.

Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by rcoder on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @12:15PM (#23988422)
...and if all car manufacturers bought engines from the same factory (TSMC), used the same satnav (except one brand, who had a slightly-worse in-house clone), and an accelerator and gearbox from exactly one source (Google search) would you be more concerned about anticompetitive behavior? What if the manufacturers were allowed to produce "accessories" like batteries, tires, and child seats that refused to work in any other car, and actively sued repair shops that weren't official dealerships?

Apple and Google may be competitors, strictly speaking, but the reality is they've pretty well carved up the market between premium buyers mostly concerned with fit+finish, prestige, and compatibility with other Apple devices, and the operating system and network infrastructure for, well, everything else.

It's absolutely a duopoly, and so minimally competitive: either Google or Apple would happily claim leadership status, but neither party really wants the other to go away lest actual competition or government intervention cause them to lose control of their patch of ground.

Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by ryanlol on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @12:22PM (#23988516)
> Apple and Google may be competitors, strictly speaking, but the reality is they've pretty well carved up the market between premium buyers mostly concerned with fit+finish, prestige, and compatibility with other Apple devices, and the operating system and network infrastructure for, well, everything else.

Somehow there are heaps of expensive android phones that sell just fine. The flagship Samsung phones cost more than any iPhone.

> It's absolutely a duopoly, and so minimally competitive

Well no, there are tons of smartphone manufacturers with viable products.

Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by solarkraft on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @03:25PM (#23990624)
> Well no, there are tons of smartphone manufacturers with viable products

There are 2 viable software platforms.

Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by ThrowawayR2 on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @01:43PM (#23989529)
> "Which competitors to $car_manufacturer engines are there for $car_manufacturer cars?"

Interesting and rather unfortunate that you should use that example, since the landmark Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act famously invalidated automakers attempts to revoke their products' warranty if aftermarket parts were installed. It's a clear example of a consumer-hostile practice that was deemed to be unfair and regulated, even though no monopoly was involved.

Re:When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its ... by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @12:15PM (#23988429)
There is no competition, because there are exactly two viable platforms for mobile apps. All the others are footnotes.