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Re:Airbus to build 'first interplanetary cargo ship' by rsynnott on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @11:03AM (#23987417)
> now that Tesla is meeting production goals

Where's the magic cross-country self-driving car that was meant to show up in 2016? And just how 'self driving ready' are those Model 3s?

> SpaceX is landing boosters

A mere decade or so after promised.

I think both of these are examples of dubious marketing promises, though the Tesla one is more egregious (the SpaceX one is merely extremely late). But either way, I wouldn't depend on any of their timelines going forward.

Re:Airbus to build 'first interplanetary cargo ship' by 51Cards on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @12:01PM (#23988249)
I don't think learning a problem is harder than you thought and then still solving it is a detriment. If anything this community should be the ones that understand that the full scope of a problem often becomes apparent once you're 80% into it.

How many startups are "guaranteed to revolutionize the world in 2 years", take 4 years to get a minimum viable product, and are gone in 6?

You solve the problem, you get my credit. Fully self driving cars though I think should have been more obvious that it wasn't going to happen anytime soon.. not just to Musk but to everyone working on it. It'll get there eventually too, but it's still early days.

Re:Airbus to build 'first interplanetary cargo ship' by rsynnott on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @02:15PM (#23989874)
> Fully self driving cars though I think should have been more obvious that it wasn't going to happen anytime soon.. not just to Musk but to everyone working on it

Well, yes, this is my point. He _must_ have known that his cross-country no-driver car wasn't practical when he was promoting it. If he didn't know himself, any expert in the field would tell him, and presumably did.

Re:Airbus to build 'first interplanetary cargo ship' by valuearb on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @03:34PM (#23990714)
He never promised to land boosters in 2007, the Falcon 9 hadnt even flown yet. In fact their original reusability plans were based around parachute recovery.
Re:Airbus to build 'first interplanetary cargo ship' by hinkley on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @11:17AM (#23987559)
Where are my flying cars? Where is my fusion reactor?
Re:Airbus to build 'first interplanetary cargo ship' by rsynnott on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @11:25AM (#23987659)
Neither were promised to you by Airbus under a specific contract.

I mean, if you're saying that Musk's claims are less extravagant than those of newspaper columnists playing at futurology, then, yes, that's true. But it's the lowest of low bars.

Re:Airbus to build 'first interplanetary cargo ship' by hinkley on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @02:58PM (#23990362)
A lot of us knew the self-driving car industry was bullshit. Tesla wasn't piling it any higher or deeper than everyone else. Within this iteration of the discipline, there was something approaching consensus (ie all of the loudest voices agree with each other). Outside of that bubble, some of the rest of us had very strong convictions that they were nucking futs.

Some of us know, as sure as we know the sun will rise tomorrow, that AI and fusion are going to arrive within five years of each other. Which is to say, "don't make any life plans around either".

But you have to be a scholar or of a certain age to have a grasp of 1) how many times and with how little evidence we've been promised both and 2) the painfully vivid ways in which this series of events has resembled Charlie Brown and that football. She's lying to you Charlie. She is always lying to you.