Re:MI6 tried to intervene independent court by stopping judg...
by dmurray on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @02:23PM
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Yes, it sounds like this was inappropriate but possibly not illegal. Normally the strongest sanction the judge could take here would be to find them in contempt of court, but he let them off with a warning/admonishment which also seems fine.
> IPT secretary Susan Cobb wrote back to say: "It was inappropriate for your staff to seek to intervene in ongoing legal proceedings..."
> Lord Justice Singh told the room: "The tribunal's secretary acted entirely appropriately in responding the way she did and by drawing these matters to my attention. In March 2019, it was recognised that the direct communication was inappropriate."
Re:MI6 tried to intervene independent court by stopping judg...
by matthewheath on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @01:22PM
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I never said it was a good thing — of course evidence tampering is utterly unacceptable. The systems here simply hew closely to expected standards of behaviour from institutions, and in any event there are a range of mechanisms to address the behaviour without needing to criminalise it.
Re:MI6 tried to intervene independent court by stopping judg...
by qtplatypus on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @11:50PM
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My understanding is that expate communication with the judge or a judges staff in a court case is not legal (unless allowed under very specific situations).
Re:MI6 tried to intervene independent court by stopping judg...
by DisjointedHunt on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @01:29PM
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The scary consequences of overbearing "Classified" status assigned to information that human beings are embarrassed by is likely the single biggest omission to the public record thus denying the public the ability to form political opinions fairly.
Re:MI6 tried to intervene independent court by stopping judg...
by londons_explore on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @08:27AM
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It's crafty mixing of real classified information with embarrassing information...
"The address of our safehouse is classified, but all the letters we send eachother have the address on the top, therefore all these letters are classified."
Re:MI6 tried to intervene independent court by stopping judg...
by ncmncm on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @03:50PM
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Parody court agrees with parody inspector on parody rules.
Very real threat temporarily averted. Next time it will be conducted more subtly but no less mistakably, so the parody court won't hear about it or what it was meant to cover up, and all will be well.
Re:MI6 tried to intervene independent court by stopping judg...
by heraclius on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @07:11PM
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According to Wikipedia, the IPT upheld ten of 1468 complaints from 2000 to 2012. High standards of conduct, judicial probity and intellectual excellence do not inevitably lead to justice—we know this from, e.g., Singapore—and, whilst we cannot determine much sans access to classified data and rulings, this seems to be one of those cases. The problem with the IPT is probably not this sort of exploit, but rather its overall structure and the statutory framework within which it operates.
It’s not great that they asked, but the system does appear to have worked as it should.
Or am I missing something?
Reality sounds more like they made a procedural request (possibly not a correct one) which was denied and they apologised.
> IPT secretary Susan Cobb wrote back to say: "It was inappropriate for your staff to seek to intervene in ongoing legal proceedings..."
> Lord Justice Singh told the room: "The tribunal's secretary acted entirely appropriately in responding the way she did and by drawing these matters to my attention. In March 2019, it was recognised that the direct communication was inappropriate."
"The address of our safehouse is classified, but all the letters we send eachother have the address on the top, therefore all these letters are classified."
Very real threat temporarily averted. Next time it will be conducted more subtly but no less mistakably, so the parody court won't hear about it or what it was meant to cover up, and all will be well.